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    Re: Will the 4th generation Sevilles become collectible soon?

    Many of the "personal Luxury" cars of the last four decades have led their contemporaries into the leagues of collectible automobiles. By collectible, I don't mean they command "mega bucks," but rather they a following that cares about finding and buying good ones for the purpose of personal enjoyment.

    I don't think it is a major mind twister to see why many personal luxury cars have become collectible cars. Two seat Thunderbirds as well as early Buick Rivieras, Cadillac Eldorados and convertibles, Olds Toronados and Starfires, sixties and even seventies Thunderbirds, to mention a few, have all been collected in recent years. It would seem to me that some twenty year old personal luxury cars from the nineties would begin to be collected both because of nostalgia, but in some cases because of their attractive design and performance. I would think the Eldorado and the Riviera of that period along with the Seville would begin gaining a following among enthusiast and collectors.
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    Re: Will the 4th generation Sevilles become collectible soon?

    Lots of cars that aren't the best-of-the-best have a following.

    People collect Citation X-11s.


    Not really a strange phenomenon.

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    Re: Will the 4th generation Sevilles become collectible soon?

    I must confess, I have a bit of a liking for the X-11. I know it was a crap car, but I like it for some wierd reason. Not something I want to drive, but just to have in the corner of my garage to point at when people visit.

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    Re: Will the 4th generation Sevilles become collectible soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by orconn View Post
    By collectible, I don't mean they command "mega bucks," but rather they a following that cares about finding and buying good ones for the purpose of personal enjoyment.
    I'm sure almost every car has a following. People collect anything, and as I've always said "there's an ass for every seat." Yeah, it's a nice car, but there's nothing special to really set it apart from anything else.

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    Re: Will the 4th generation Sevilles become collectible soon?

    Good luck with your bid, Jesda.
    I'm guessing you are valuing the dry Arizona pedigree, the 4.9 motor, and the low mileage on this Ebay car, thus the premium price?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/STS-/360690030143?_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649&ssPageName= STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true#ht_500wt_743

    The 2002 STS, with tint and newer STS wheels, would look amazing.

    Hope you are successful in your bid.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jesda View Post
    The bustleback Seville has found itself a dedicated following after being hated by many for decades.

    I just made a $7000 offer on a 92 STS.
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    Minty '92? I like where this is going...
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    I definitely don't see it becoming a collectible in the sense that a 1955 Mercedes SL Gullwing or a 1966 jaguar XKE. But as some have said, in the sense that every kind of car has a following, I'm sure SOME will collect them, but that doesn't necessarily make it a collectible.

    I think the last "collectible" Cadillac produced would be the Allante. Maybe in 20 years, the XLR will be a collectible, but since the mid 90s, Cadillac hasn't really made a car that truly sets itself apart from any other middle of the road luxury car.

    Just my 0.02

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    Re: Will the 4th generation Sevilles become collectible soon?

    CTS-V for being a four-door Corvette

    XLR/XLR-V. Heather Locklear looked hot driving one:


    To a lesser degree, STS-V and Eldorado. So many Eldorados were built that people who covet them can easily find a shiny example, so values will remain low for a while. Cadillac has said that parts of the last-gen Eldo have influenced the styling of cars like the 08+ CTS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesda
    CTS-V for being a four-door Corvette

    XLR/XLR-V. Heather Locklear looked hot driving one:

    To a lesser degree, STS-V and Eldorado. So many Eldorados were built that people who covet them can easily find a shiny example, so values will remain low for a while. Cadillac has said that parts of the last-gen Eldo have influenced the styling of cars like the 08+ CTS.
    The V's slipped my mind. Lol.

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    Re: Will the 4th generation Sevilles become collectible soon?

    I argue that cadillac hasn't made a car that is "collectible" since about 1964 (even that is a stretch as 1963-64 caddy's are relatively cheap compared to other 63-64 cars). My criteria is a car that is a proven investment and money maker. Like the guys who bought Chevelles in the early 90's for 8K and can now sell them for 50K+. I know a guy who bought a 69 dodge charger R/T SE in 1999 for 15K that had 40K miles and a sunroof. Everyone thought he was nuts as that was very high retail. That same car is appraised in the neighborhood of 60K with him doing nothing other than storing it and driving it maybe three times a year. When he tells people he bought it for 15K now they high five him.

    I can buy really nice examples of late 60's and early 70's cadillacs for sub 15K all day long. As a matter of fact paying more than 10K for one I would think your wallet is bigger than your brain. Cadillacs just do not hold there value, and traditionally they were well taken care of with low miles, therefore the market is flooded with premium examples. Look at the value of say a 1970 Coupe Deville versus say a Buick GS Coupe, both loaded up. The 1970 cadillac coupe at it's highest could be had for 12-15K. A Buick GS coupe at it's highest, would probably be well over 30K for a premium example. I am just pulling these numbers out of the ether but I think they are about right.


    This might change with the V, but I think the V is going to suffer the same fate as the mustang shelby and the new challenger. There are litterally thousands of them in storage that people bought with the intention of selling for a huge profit when they retire. I bet they will be worth what they were new if they are lucky. 94-96 Impalas are a prime example. On ebay there are a few at all times with less than 5K miles and they are lucky if they sell for 18K (and that's high IMO) and they sold new for around 25K. That's ten years of storage, maintenance and insurance to lose at least 8K of your initial investment.

    This isn't neccesarily bad news if you like the seville, you will always be able to find gems like Jesda just found and you won't have to mortgage the house to get them.

    I only used american cars as I think it is unfair to compare the collectibility in America of Cadillacs to rare european cars. They are obviously more collectible just in the rare factor.

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    Re: Will the 4th generation Sevilles become collectible soon?

    I see that we are talking about several different definitions of "collectible"
    I don't see a car worth 50K as a "collectible" car because I couldn't afford to collect very many (or any)

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    Re: Will the 4th generation Sevilles become collectible soon?

    I just use the value as collectible, you can collect anything, belly button lint, girls phone numbers, tears of the oppressed, but value is what in my mind makes something worthy of being called collectible. I can't afford 50K either, which is good because I love cars that are not as desirable. I will collect them for my own enjoyment, but are they collectibles or just a collection of cars. It is like this 81 Ford escort Wagon on CL in minnesota, it is not collectible, but someone took care of it for a throw away car to make it 32 years in this condition.

    http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hn...898947379.html

    It is even arguably rarer than most cars of this era because most of them have been crushed and sent to china to make lead paint covered toys. But is it a Collectible? IMO no.
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    Re: Will the 4th generation Sevilles become collectible soon?

    "Collectible" does not necessarily have the term "investment value" as part of its' definition in my mind. Almost all things have their day as investments. I look on "collectible" as something I enjoy having for its' value to me for its' beauty, usefulness and or for the pleasure it brings. I have plenty of other more potentially profitable places to put cash in the hopes of investment profits.

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    Re: Will the 4th generation Sevilles become collectible soon?

    Well if that's the definition then if you like the fourth gen seville, yes it's collectible. If you like old toothbrushes from your neighbor's trash, that is collectible too. /thread.
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    Re: Will the 4th generation Sevilles become collectible soon?

    I think it is a mistake to look at collector cars as an investment. There are many things that someone could have done with $15,000 in 1999 that would have returned great rewards. Most of them would not be deemed "collectable" in any sense. Facebook's IPO would be one. The stories of someone buying and reselling a car for high reward has led many down the rabbit hole. The Ferrari bubble of the late 80's early 90's comes to mind.

    There will always be things that cause a car to be suddenly the latest flavor in collecting and driving high prices. Then more come out of the woodwork and are restored and suddenly the market is sated. It has always been and will always be. To be truly a collectable car to the true enthusiasts the car has to have been significant to, or emblematic of the state of the industry at the time. IMO
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