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Community Lounge, Introductions and General Discussion Discussion, What makes a "luxury" car today? in General Discussion; Originally Posted by thebigjimsho It's fine to state an opinion. I said luxury "to me"... Someone then comes on here ...
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    Re: What makes a "luxury" car today?

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post

    It's fine to state an opinion. I said luxury "to me"...

    Someone then comes on here and states luxury IS weight and wheelbase and blah blah blah...


    (In my opinion.)

    I am reasonably sure the poster was telling us what it means to them. I doubt he was posting what it is to someone else?
    I generally assume people are posting their own opinions.
    Even if you hadn't prefaced your statement with "to me" I think we would have figured out that it was your opinion.


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    Re: What makes a "luxury" car today?

    ^^^Perhaps you should prepared some boiler plate to that effect, Dave. Some have short memories here..

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    Re: What makes a "luxury" car today?

    I'll assert it again:

    Luxury=Excess

    This can also apply to horsepower. Nobody NEEDS a 567hp CTS-V, or a 627hp ZR1 Vette. Hell nobody needs an old rusty 1974 Vega with a 1500hp blown, nitrous fed big block Chevy that runs a mid 7 second quarter mile.

    Luxury can also apply to how impractical your car is. A #1 concourse winning Duesenberg is like a million bucks. You don't dare drive such a car on the street, you just polish it and admire its awesomeness.

    So what I'm saying is that impractical toys like what I mentioned above might not be luxurious in terms of comfort, with them being noisy, hard riding, no power steering, manual transmission with no syncros, etc, etc, etc Yet clearly there is no "rational" reason for owning such cars, they are your passion. If you have the bankroll for indulging yourself in some of the finest machinery money can buy, I consider it luxurious.

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    Re: What makes a "luxury" car today?

    Quote Originally Posted by orconn View Post
    In Europe and other parts of the world, the words "executive class" are used to describe cars affordable and enjoyed by the upper middle class. This term more appropriately the socio-economics of these cars. Today many earning top 1% salaries do not find themselves able to easily afford a true "luxury" car.
    If we want to exclude the "executive class" cars from luxury cars, and restrict the definition of luxury cars to the ones with 150k price tag and higher, then the answer to your main question would be pretty easy. Everyone, even the people who are not car guys, wouldn't have any problem in discriminating between a Rolls Royce and a Kia forte.

    The main challenge is the distinction between "semi-luxury" cars (or based on your terminology the "executive class" cars) and new fully loaded entry level cars. I initially thought your main question was about this part. 20 years ago these classes of cars used to be very distinct from each other. But these days they are getting so close that we can not draw a solid boundary line between "semi-luxury" cars and the regular midsized family sedans.
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    Re: What makes a "luxury" car today?

    Quote Originally Posted by CadillacLuke24 View Post
    Given those exact parameters, and my experiences so far, I know of a DeVille that is a luxury automobile!!
    Why yes it is
    Here in America anyway as far as mass produced vehicles go Cadillac is at the top.
    They tried using Cadillac badges on other cars and loading them with options - Failure - nearly killed the brand.
    So there must be more to it than wiz bang options.

    Did you ever study the GM line up?
    If I remember correctly
    You got a Chevy
    Then a
    Pontiac
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    Quote Originally Posted by amunderdog

    Why yes it is
    Here in America anyway as far as mass produced vehicles go Cadillac is at the top.
    They tried using Cadillac badges on other cars and loading them with options - Failure - nearly killed the brand.
    So there must be more to it than wiz bang options.

    Did you ever study the GM line up?
    If I remember correctly
    You got a Chevy
    Then a
    Pontiac
    Buick
    Cadillac
    Oldsmobile
    IIRC, you got a chevy (entry level), then a pontiac (slightly nicer entry level), then olds (more at performance than luxury)/ buick (more at luxury than performance), then cadillac (both luxury and performance).
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    Quote Originally Posted by cadillac kevin View Post

    IIRC, you got a chevy (entry level), then a pontiac (slightly nicer entry level), then olds (more at performance than luxury)/ buick (more at luxury than performance), then cadillac (both luxury and performance).
    Pontiac used to be the performance division. Oldsmobile was the pioneering division that would innovate. And Buick was the poor man's luxury w/performance...
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    Re: What makes a "luxury" car today?

    Quote Originally Posted by orconn View Post
    What makes a "luxury" car today

    My general rule is: if I can afford it, it's not a luxury car.
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    Re: What makes a "luxury" car today?

    One of the most "comfortable" cars I ever owned was a 1951 Cadillac Funeral Car. Manual transmission, 3 on the tree, but it floated down the highway like a cloud.

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    But I also got a trophy at the local dragstrip with that funeral car because there wasn't anyone in my class.
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    Re: What makes a "luxury" car today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Daddy View Post
    My general rule is: if I can lease it and manage to keep, if just barely, from plunging into financial disater, it's not a luxury car.
    Fixed.
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    Re: What makes a "luxury" car today?

    When looking at a sedan, consider the rear door. Is there actually ample room to sit an adult in the rear, or is it just a cheap gimmick? Most modern "Luxury cars" will make someone very unconfortable in the rear. They will have no leg room, and their knees will hit the back of the front seat. Which leads to my general rule: If it hits, its s*!t.

    A luxury cars job is to provide its occupants with comfort. If the car can't do that, then it is not a luxury car. It may be an expensive car, a fast car, but not a luxury car; although, people and manufacturers may claim otherwise.
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    Re: What makes a "luxury" car today?

    I'd agree with that observation Dave

    Quote Originally Posted by lacville78 View Post
    When looking at a sedan, consider the rear door. Is there actually ample room to sit an adult in the rear, or is it just a cheap gimmick? Most modern "Luxury cars" will make someone very unconfortable in the rear. They will have no leg room, and their knees will hit the back of the front seat. Which leads to my general rule: If it hits, its s*!t.

    A luxury cars job is to provide its occupants with comfort. If the car can't do that, then it is not a luxury car. It may be an expensive car, a fast car, but not a luxury car; although, people and manufacturers may claim otherwise.
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    Re: What makes a "luxury" car today?

    Quote Originally Posted by talismandave View Post
    Great find, I hope someone fixes her up.

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