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    OnStar will be selling our speed, location and seatbelt usage after December?

    Does anyone else know about this? I will cancel my service if this is true.

    Toward the end, you’ll read about how GPS data is collected, including vehicle speed and seat belt status. Again, in an emergency, this is very useful and most customers want an emergency services business to collect this information - when necessary. And the old 2010 terms and conditions only allowed OnStar to collect this information for legitimate purposes, such as recovering a stolen vehicle, or when needed to provide other OnStar services to customers on demand. As you scroll down the list of information collected, you see that once you get past important emergency services (what we pay OnStar for), OnStar now has given themselves the right to also use this information to stuff their pockets. OnStar has granted themselves the right to collect this information “for any purpose, at any time, provided that following collection of such location and speed information identifiable to your Vehicle, it is shared only on an anonymized basis.” – This provides carte blanche authority for OnStar to now track and collect information about your current GPS position and speed any time and anywhere, instead of only in the rare, limited circumstances the old contract outlined.

    Anonymized GPS data? There’s no such thing! We’ve all seen this before – anonymized searches, for example, that were not-so-quite anonymized. But in this case, it’s impossible to anonymize GPS data! If your vehicle is consistently parked at your home, driving down your driveway, or taking a left or right turn onto your street, its pretty obvious that this is where you live! It’s like trying to say that someone’s Google Map lookup from their home is “anonymized” because it doesn’t have their name on it. It still shows where they live! What’s unique even more-so to OnStar is that the data they claim they sell as part of their business model is useless unless it’s specific; that is, not diluted to the nearest 10 mile radius, etc. This combination of analytics, and their prospective customers (law enforcement, marketers, etc) requires the data be disturbingly precise. Anyone armed with Google can easily do a phone book or public records search to find the name and address that resides at any given GPS coordinate.


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    Re: OnStar will be selling our speed, location and seatbelt usage after December?

    There's another thread currently running on the same subject.............up in Deville - Merge ??

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    Re: OnStar will be selling our speed, location and seatbelt usage after December?

    Please...as if they weren't always doing this...
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    Re: OnStar will be selling our speed, location and seatbelt usage after December?

    My apologies. No need to be rude, I didn't see it.

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    Re: OnStar will be selling our speed, location and seatbelt usage after December?

    No one's being rude - simply putting the books on the correct shelf in the library.

    (Go up to Deville and look at the same info there............)

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    Re: OnStar will be selling our speed, location and seatbelt usage after December?

    The scary part is what IS NOT written (can and will be used against you in a court of law). Thanks but no thanks Onstar. Big brother is watching enough. I've lived without it for this long, I can finish without it.


    I'd merge the Deville thread, but I'm not a mod here.
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    Re: OnStar will be selling our speed, location and seatbelt usage after December?

    Lolstar.

    I've disabled that in several vehicles in my time, but now that it's available, I can't imagine installing it in one of mine. (I actually know someone who seriously thought I had Onstar as a Factory option in my 1987)

    This isn't really anything new, so Big Brother is watching you and what else is new?

    If it unnerves you that much, you can uninstall said Onstar device from your car or drive safely with your seatbelt on and at a proper speed as posted on roadsigns.

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    Re: OnStar will be selling our speed, location and seatbelt usage after December?

    there's been about six of these threads today... at least
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    Re: OnStar will be selling our speed, location and seatbelt usage after December?

    It is amusing that despite the fact that Americans, within the United States, are prohibited from being monitored by agencies of the federal government, without express permission of the "star court" judges, that citizens freely give up their right to privacy and allow themselves to be monitored extensively by private companys (in the form of Onstar, company and store "courtesy" or "loyalty" cards, etc., etc.) and routinely sign away this right to privacy for a small discount or other minor privilege. Big Brother is watching you, and it isn't Uncle Sam but rather K-Mart, Sam's Club, Shell Oil or Kroger!
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    Re: OnStar will be selling our speed, location and seatbelt usage after December?

    FailStar. But then, it really always has been an overpriced service that really should have been free to begin with. Including it by default (with an opt-out of course) would have helped GM sell a lot more cars in this era of safety and security concerns, versus the little bit of worthless profit they eek out of the service itself. At least a year's worth if nothing else. They were doing as much as six months at one point, but by then OnStar had gotten long in the tooth and it wasn't being properly promoted. The only truly useful part of OnStar is the just recently released remote ability with Android smart phones. Otherwise, Sync and MyFordTouch are far more scalable and capable technology that relies on NO ONE outside of the vehicle. It just seems like OnStar never really made it out of the '90s, and that's why the service has always teetered on the edge of profitability and failure.

    This makes me quite happy I ditched my factory installed non-Bluetooth OnStar module in the Escalade for the later Bluetooth enabled unit, since the VIN coding is incompatible and essentially destroys the OnStar functionality, but leaves Bluetooth working perfectly.

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    Re: OnStar will be selling our speed, location and seatbelt usage after December?

    i'm really excited to see the new infotainment system that will be supposedly standardized across the line (beginning with the xts) that's supposed to be in the same vein as the myfordtouch/sync stuff that ford is doing
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    Re: OnStar will be selling our speed, location and seatbelt usage after December?

    Quote Originally Posted by RippyPartsDept View Post
    i'm really excited to see the new infotainment system that will be supposedly standardized across the line (beginning with the xts) that's supposed to be in the same vein as the myfordtouch/sync stuff that ford is doing
    Agreed. When GM/Delphi really put their minds to a task (i.e. Magneto-rheological dampers) they can knock some amazing stuff out of the park, and there is definitely still room for improvement over My Ford Touch. Lots of complaints of slowness for example. Still, the functionality makes up for it in my opinion so hopefully GM can one up the weak areas of MFT. We'll see.

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    Re: OnStar will be selling our speed, location and seatbelt usage after December?

    the vague description that i got recently is that it's like ipad for your car
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    Re: OnStar will be selling our speed, location and seatbelt usage after December?

    Quote Originally Posted by RippyPartsDept View Post
    the vague description that i got recently is that it's like ipad for your car
    I've played with the "myfordtouch" in a Ford Edge(crossover SUV thing), and that's exactly what its like. No ****ing thanks, its a horrible system IMO that just replaces a bunch of buttons and knobs with a touch display. Nothing really new there, touch screen navigation has been out since the 90's, hated it then, still hate it now. It forces you to take your eyes off the road to change the climate control, adjust the radio, turn on the seat heaters, and like an iphone, it only works when you do it exactly right and give it 100% of your focus.

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