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Community Lounge, Introductions and General Discussion Discussion, What type of a car is missing from the marketplace today? in General Discussion; Originally Posted by gdwriter Gone because nobody wants to drive a penalty box. Except for you and some masochists. I'd ...
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    Re: What type of a car is missing from the marketplace today?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdwriter View Post
    Gone because nobody wants to drive a penalty box. Except for you and some masochists.

    I'd rather buy a decently equipped, decent driving 1-2 year old car for the same price as some stripped Kia or the new Jetta. And it's not just the lack of amenities, but also the obvious cheapness in the interior materials and that tell-tale tinny sound when you close the doors. No thanks.



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    Re: What type of a car is missing from the marketplace today?

    Intentionally under-optioned cars like the $9999 Versa (no radio, no AC) exist so the manufacturer can advertise a lower initial MSRP. They aren't produced in large quantities because most people avoid them. They get shuffled around from dealer to dealer until someone finally shows up and takes it.

    Power windows are cheaper to produce and manufacture than crank windows due to their simplicity and because of economies of scale. The world advances little by little each day, making what used to be high-tech stuff as affordable as their low-tech predecessors.

    The exception to this? Dedicated track cars. They get stripped bare and have their seats replaced anyway, but a $9k Versa is a poor starting point for any kind of track performance.

    No, the trend going forward is for cheap economy cars to have many of the comforts and amenities of luxury cars, allowing people to save money and save fuel without feeling like they've made poor choices in life that forced them to downgrade their vehicle.

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    Re: What type of a car is missing from the marketplace today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesda View Post
    Intentionally under-optioned cars like the $9999 Versa (no radio, no AC) exist so the manufacturer can advertise a lower initial MSRP. They aren't produced in large quantities because most people avoid them. They get shuffled around from dealer to dealer until someone finally shows up and takes it.

    Power windows are cheaper to produce and manufacture than crank windows due to their simplicity and because of economies of scale. The world advances little by little each day, making what used to be high-tech stuff as affordable as their low-tech predecessors.

    The exception to this? Dedicated track cars. They get stripped bare and have their seats replaced anyway, but a $9k Versa is a poor starting point for any kind of track performance.

    No, the trend going forward is for cheap economy cars to have many of the comforts and amenities of luxury cars, allowing people to save money and save fuel without feeling like they've made poor choices in life that forced them to downgrade their vehicle.
    Back in the late sixties when Toyota started washing up on these shores, their claim to fame was "a fully equipped Toyota Carona for the price of a stripped VW Bug." And it was true, the fully equipped Corona coupes and sedans came with the radio and heater standard which were additional cost accessories on the VW .... neither car offered an automatic transmission til later .... for a few hundred less than the VW.
    Volkswagen was really Toyota and Datsun's first conquest in the U.S.

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    Re: What type of a car is missing from the marketplace today?

    To me, what's missing is a full sized line up. A coupe, sedan, wagon, all rear drive and body on frame. Something that could bridge the gap between SUV/Truck and front/AWD sedans.

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    Re: What type of a car is missing from the marketplace today?

    I'll agree that we're missing another "Astro". A truck based van that isn't terribly large, nor much longer than a minivan, but with the power to tow and haul more than a regular car-based minivan can.
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    I think cafe 2020 assures those vehicles are not coming back. Manufactures are not going to spend their low mileage percentage on anything but high profit cars.

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    Re: What type of a car is missing from the marketplace today?

    Quote Originally Posted by DouglasJRizzo View Post
    To me, what's missing is a full sized line up. A coupe, sedan, wagon, all rear drive and body on frame. Something that could bridge the gap between SUV/Truck and front/AWD sedans.
    Dittos. I want a big sedan, not a pickup.

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    Re: What type of a car is missing from the marketplace today?

    Saw a story today on Jalopnik that the sub-$10,000 car is dead, now that Nissan has brought out a new version of the Versa at $10,700:
    With its demise comes the death of the sub-$10,000 new car. Here's why that's a good thing. The $9,990 version was nothing more than a gimmick.

    It didn't come with A/C, it had the not-particularly-efficient and smaller 1.6-liter fourbanger, and a cheap cloth interior. While a striped-down package on, say, a Ford Mustang, might interest enthusiasts, the idea of a stripped-down econobox was so out-of-touch with what mainstream car buyers were looking for, dealers were rarely willing to stock the car. You were more likely to find a golden ticket in a Wonka bar than to find someone selling a $9,990-out-the-door Versa. Top that off with a destination charge that raised the actual price to $10,740 and it's clear this was mostly a marketing exercise — a trick to get people to go to Nissan dealerships.

    But when they got there, they likely quickly left.

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    Re: What type of a car is missing from the marketplace today?

    Dodge Magnum... they need to produce a Charger wagon (or a 300 estate like they have in europe). Best car idea Chrysler had in years and they killed it prematurely.

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    Re: What type of a car is missing from the marketplace today?

    cuz they couldnt sell it

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    Re: What type of a car is missing from the marketplace today?

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    cuz they couldnt sell it
    True, no wagon sells exceptionally well here, but the Magnum was basically a variant of their other cars (exterior design with the 300, interior with the Charger). They could have slapped another front on it to increase the parts sharing (like is done in europe with the 300 estate) or tossed a hatch on a charger if they wanted to keep it in the Dodge lineup.
    It's cancellation really makes no sense to me at all, especially considering that they still offer a wagon version of the 300 for the european market.

    I also think with current automotive trends, people are more accepting of wagon-like designs than they were even a few years ago (the added cargo space just makes sense in a large car design).

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    Re: What type of a car is missing from the marketplace today?

    flying cars

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    Re: What type of a car is missing from the marketplace today?

    Flying Magnums


    If there was a Magnum being made today with a proper interior, it would be high on my "want" list.

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    Re: What type of a car is missing from the marketplace today?

    vagon


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    Re: What type of a car is missing from the marketplace today?

    Quote Originally Posted by gothicaleigh View Post
    (like is done in europe with the 300 estate)
    I have seen one of those here. Someone in the general area of my office drives one. It's basically a magnum with a 300 front fascia. I don't know if he imported it, or if he just did a fascia transplant.

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