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    Re: What would be better for Cadillac's future?

    If there were only a way to build a full-size flagship that got impressive gas mileage..
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    Re: What would be better for Cadillac's future?

    Mercedes and Lexus seem to have that covered with the S400 Hybrid and the LS600hL. I believe BMW has their own magic with the 7 series as well. Certainly fuel economy consistently north of 20mpg is more than enough for anyone who can afford a car of that segment anyway.

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    Re: What would be better for Cadillac's future?

    However, it's not good enough for the Nannystate...
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    Re: What would be better for Cadillac's future?

    If gas gets really expensive like it could, it won't be good enough for anybody but the wealthiest people.
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    Re: What would be better for Cadillac's future?

    I actually am warming up to the way Cadillac has been approaching their whole situation, even if they are a year or so behind.

    - The upcoming ATS should bolster sales. New Cadillac owners will be created because of it.
    - Everyone knows the XTS is a filler car until a real flagship can be made. People buying the ATS now can look forward to a Cadillac flagship when they upgrade their ride in 4 - 5 years.

    The only thing I don't understand about this is why the Sixteen hasn't been greenlit. Even if they had to dumb it down a bit. The Sixteen was universally acclaimed (I haven't met many who didn't like the design) and Car and Driver just had a little article about the "Upcoming Cadillac Flagship" with what I pray was a bad photoshopped photo. Because the car was ugly.

    Seriously. Just greenlight the Sixteen.

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    Re: What would be better for Cadillac's future?

    The flagship is just talk right now. There's no engine for it. There's not even a platform for it. I think it's going to be a lot longer than 4-5 years after the XTS is ready unless they rush as fast as they can to get it to market.
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    Re: What would be better for Cadillac's future?

    If gas really got so bad that driving miserable tiny shitboxes was the only way to maintain driving freedom, then I probably would just buy a Prius or CT-200h. Better yet? I'd just get a used CR-X or Del Sol and have some actual "fun". There is no way my head could wrap itself around a SMALL Cadillac just for the sake of having the badge. That's not what Cadillac is about. BLS works in Europe because they don't have much choice, though I don't know how well that car actually sells. Like I said, the only possible exception to this is the Evoq, which brings enough to the table to deal with a somewhat smaller overall package.

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    Re: What would be better for Cadillac's future?

    yeah, 4-5 years is the lead time when they have a product design nailed down - i'm pretty sure they're not even in the design stages of a 'flagship' currently ...
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    Re: What would be better for Cadillac's future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Cadillac View Post
    If gas gets really expensive like it could, it won't be good enough for anybody but the wealthiest people.
    It's not going to get that expensive. First, as the price increases, consumption will decrease -- lowering the price.

    Second, the general public is in much less of a position to absorb those high prices again. The high 2007/2008 prices are what drove us into recession. More people are in a more precarious financial position now, than then, and can't take another hit after 2 years of housing declines, commodity increases, and higher unemployment.

    Third, if it does, DC will look like Cairo and Tripoli, and Nannybama will get thrown out of office. It was almost to that point in 2008, and would be much more likely now. His replacement will surely fully open U.S. drilling, which would drive prices down further -- even before the first drop of oil hit the market.

    That's not to say it won't be painful, but I don't see a sustained $5/gallon...something will break before then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hueterm View Post
    It's not going to get that expensive. First, as the price increases, consumption will decrease -- lowering the price.

    Second, the general public is in much less of a position to absorb those high prices again. The high 2007/2008 prices are what drove us into recession. More people are in a more precarious financial position now, than then, and can't take another hit after 2 years of housing declines, commodity increases, and higher unemployment.

    Third, if it does, DC will look like Cairo and Tripoli, and Nannybama will get thrown out of office. It was almost to that point in 2008, and would be much more likely now. His replacement will surely fully open U.S. drilling, which would drive prices down further -- even before the first drop of oil hit the market.

    That's not to say it won't be painful, but I don't see a sustained $5/gallon...something will break before then.
    The best part of the 2008 Fuel crisis was the sweet sweet fuel prices that came later that winter. Some places came close to (or maybe under?) $2.00 for the first time in YEARS.

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    Re: What would be better for Cadillac's future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Playdrv4me View Post
    If gas really got so bad that driving miserable tiny shitboxes was the only way to maintain driving freedom, then I probably would just buy a Prius or CT-200h. Better yet? I'd just get a used CR-X or Del Sol and have some actual "fun". There is no way my head could wrap itself around a SMALL Cadillac just for the sake of having the badge. That's not what Cadillac is about. BLS works in Europe because they don't have much choice, though I don't know how well that car actually sells. Like I said, the only possible exception to this is the Evoq, which brings enough to the table to deal with a somewhat smaller overall package.
    The BLS didn't work in Europe. Sales figures reflected that. Cadillac has very limited appeal overseas.

    I think you're refering to the Converj concept as the Volt based concept car. The Evoq was the basis for the XLR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billc83 View Post
    The BLS didn't work in Europe. Sales figures reflected that. Cadillac has very limited appeal overseas.

    I think you're refering to the Converj concept as the Volt based concept car. The Evoq was the basis for the XLR.
    Sorry, you're absolutely correct. I had a feeling that was wrong.

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    Re: What would be better for Cadillac's future?

    I could maybe see paying $40K for a Cadillac version w/a nicer interior...but for the Volt...no way...
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    Re: What would be better for Cadillac's future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Playdrv4me View Post
    If gas really got so bad that driving miserable tiny shitboxes was the only way to maintain driving freedom, then I probably would just buy a Prius or CT-200h. Better yet? I'd just get a used CR-X or Del Sol and have some actual "fun". There is no way my head could wrap itself around a SMALL Cadillac just for the sake of having the badge. That's not what Cadillac is about. BLS works in Europe because they don't have much choice, though I don't know how well that car actually sells. Like I said, the only possible exception to this is the Evoq, which brings enough to the table to deal with a somewhat smaller overall package.
    What makes you think a compact Cadillac can't be nice like the Converj? I'm sure Cadillac wouldn't make the same mistake they made with the Cimarron.. I'm sure a compact Cadillac would be nice... It doesn't have to be a miserable, tiny shit box.

    Quote Originally Posted by RippyPartsDept View Post
    yeah, 4-5 years is the lead time when they have a product design nailed down - i'm pretty sure they're not even in the design stages of a 'flagship' currently ...
    Right. There are no definite plans for a flagship at this point in time. Though some Cadillac executives would like there to be.
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