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Community Lounge, Introductions and General Discussion Discussion, Three awful cars. in General Discussion; Originally Posted by drewsdeville Bolshemoi! Even this pair would rather drive a Cadillac! Especially a Northstar!...
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    Re: Three awful cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by drewsdeville View Post
    Bolshemoi! Even this pair would rather drive a Cadillac! Especially a Northstar!

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    Re: Three awful cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by drewsdeville View Post
    Close, but wrong color and too little rust!

    The difference is I don't seek them out, I just accept them as hand-me-downs
    Quote Originally Posted by I~LUV~Caddys8792 View Post
    No, that's nicer than his old car. He only had the Eighty Eight, that's the Ninety Eight!
    I wasn't being an ass, I was just picking on him. As a hand me down or an under-a-grand-beater, I would drive it and not feel ashamed.

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    Re: Three awful cars.

    Orconn has it right. The three cars in question were pretty average for standard family transportation at the time. Americans still wanted the room and comfort of the old land yachts, but they also wanted better fuel economy, with the 1973 OPEC embargo of just a few years earlier still on everyone's mind. I remember seeing all three of those cars (and their corporate stablemates) everywhere when I was small. It was like seeing Camrys and Accords for the children of the 90s. They were just there. Nothing special, nothing offensive, just stuff people drove to get them around.

    Ian, what's your beef with the 77-84 GM B bodies? They weren't anything to write home about, but they were solid full-sized family cars for their time.

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    Re: Three awful cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 77CDV View Post
    Ian, what's your beef with the 77-84 GM B bodies? They weren't anything to write home about, but they were solid full-sized family cars for their time.
    I have no beef with their transportation abilities or any problem with their reliability. These are some of the most robust, reliable and easy to work on cars in GM's recent history, especially because they are simple RWD construction. Unfortunately, they are also some of the least inspiring, most depressing and in some cases downright hideous "bag em and tag em get it sold" designs. Not classics like what was produced in the 50s and 60s, and not sufficiently modern or interesting. With few exceptions (Fleetwood and b body Caprice) they're just ugly cars. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but outside of enthusiast places like this forum, I don't know many people that would choose to drive that LeSabre I posted unless it was a necessity, as with any of us when we need a car.

    Later on in the 90's the Fleetwood continued to be the looker along with the RM Wagons that have kind of grown on me, but I can't stand the turtle Caprice which amusingly, ruined the clean squared off lines of its predecessor.

    I would go so far as to say that I prefer the little (non Cadillac) Buicks that came at the end of the '80s to the b bodies. I do like certain cars of this period, don't get me wrong... such as the Regal, Grand National and GNx, Monte Carlos and such. I just find those b bodies (and things like the St. Regis, I'm an equal opportunity hater) hideous... sorry.

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    Re: Three awful cars.

    I don't care for the 1980 restyling of the GM B, C and D-bodies. The rooflines were upright and the Electra, Ninety-Eight and DeVille/Fleetwood looked especially bloated. Plus, after the second gas panic of 1979, you were stuck with small-displacement engines or self-destructing diesels. But I love the GM's downsized 77-79 full-size cars. I wouldn't kick any of them out of my garage, but a '78 DeVille d'Elegance or a '77 Impala coupe with a 350 and F-41 suspension would be my favorites.

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    Re: Three awful cars.

    ^That's funny because I think the Cadillac, Olds, and Buick look much better after their 1980 restyle. The 77-79 Caprice/Impala coupe was really a looker with its wraparound rear glass though, one of the few products of the late 70's I'd actually plunk my own $$$ down to own.

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    Re: Three awful cars.

    Funny we were just discussing these pigs, one popped up on craigslist tonight:

    http://madison.craigslist.org/cto/2229156550.html

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    Re: Three awful cars.

    Not happening for the price, and not real big on the red interior, but it's a damn sharp car.

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    Re: Three awful cars.

    lol 5 grand lol.

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    Re: Three awful cars.

    its got wheelwrapz yo

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    Re: Three awful cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by drewsdeville View Post
    Funny we were just discussing these pigs, one popped up on craigslist tonight:

    http://madison.craigslist.org/cto/2229156550.html
    That's gorgeous. I'd rock that, but not at that price.
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    Re: Three awful cars.

    You have to understand the dynamics of the time. Change was in the air and it was tough for ALL the car makers. In the late 70s GM was downsizing the fullsize and midsize lines, and while the fullsized cars met with tremendous success, the midsized cars less so, the bustle backed cars just didn't look right and the 231 2bbl carbed V-6 in most of them was very tame.

    Ford had it's big cars right up thru the end of 78 and sold every one. Their midsized "LTD II" line was an "ok" seller but the name badging was confusing and people weren't quite sure what to expect. The Granada gets panned today, but at the time was one of the best choices you could make. It was reasonably well built, roomy enough, and while the ads were cornball, it was a hit. They sold A LOT of those things and you could option it in a zillion different ways.

    Chrysler had a mixed bag. The midsized Aspen/Volare was "ok" also and the LeBaron/Diplomat came off quite well. But Chrysler was plagued with a bad rap for QC and while many of their cars were built pretty good, the dealer body was less than responsive at fixing things.

    The Japanese had small cars down pretty good although, interestingly, their QC was not up to "Japanese Standards" like it is now. Hondas and such were notorious rusters. Toyotas were well known for blowing up engines and transmissions. Nissan (then called Datsun) was known for having paint jobs that lasted no more than 2-3 years tops before wiping out and rusting.

    European cars were not the vaunted signs of perfection that people think they are. BMW's had paint/corrosion problems and were very austere inside. The low line MB's were very stark inside as well and more expensive than they should've been. French and Italian cars were too delicate and finicky. Even the Germans were known for electrical gremlins and assorted maladies.

    Big cars in the 70s sense were becoming pariahs in the face of oil crunches and the unrest in Iran (it fell in 79 and there went a HUGE source of oil for the US), and even the midsized cars were looking too big. The automakers were in flux. They had to shift emphasis from BIG stuff to much smaller than what they were accustomed to building. It took time, plain and simple. And many ideas were tried and cast aside before they found things that worked.

    Really, looking back, it's a wonder the Diplomat/LeBaron, Granada/Monarch and GM "G" bodies did as well as they did. Times were NOT good for automakers.

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    Re: Three awful cars.

    I look at the Camry now and wonder what the hell they are thinking. Talk about soul sucking.

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