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    Re: How come German car makers?

    Everyone has a glitch somewhere. MB's are also known for splitting rear axles. I've seen 2 300E's do that with less than 100k on either of them. BMW's are prone to have the bumpers and soft trim get ratty very quickly. Toyotas, in addition to having them drive themselves at triple digit speeds have paint and corrosion issues.

    As I've said elsewhere on this forum - there is an aura that the teutonic marketing machine has crafted, of Hans and Fritz hammering out sedans in a quaint Bavarian village, when in fact, that simply is not the case. A neighbor had their 550 sedan in for A/C problems numerous times. It happens. A relative had a CLK that developed electrical gremlins that plagued it for most of its lease.

    The difference is in how the problem is looked upon.

    Some years ago, Car and Driver did a "ten best" road test (as they do nearly every year) and the BMW 325 developed a load of maladies early in the test including locking the left front brake so hard the car would try to spin around, and the iDrive and other electronic functions went horribly wonky. Did it get catigated for that? No! They went on to say how great BMW's were regardless of this. The CTS in the test placed around mid pack, with a "ho-hum" report even though it posted no issues and was of tighter build than the 325. Had the CTS developed the same woes, the hue and cry would've been heard everywhere that "Cadillac is crap" and you'd still be hearing it today.

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    Re: How come German car makers?

    Echoing what some others have said.. Ive had electrical gremlins on most of my cars, regardless of brand. Some issues were bigger then others, but theyve all had electronic issues after a few years. For example, my CTS has intermittent flashing of the interior lights, been happening since I bought it new. My 540i has an ongoing issue with the passenger side headlight turning on and off. Plus, both power headrests have stopped working.

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    Re: How come German car makers?

    Quote Originally Posted by I~LUV~Caddys8792 View Post
    Yeah, come to think of it, I had a lot of weird electrical issues with the S320, which was designed and built in Germany by Germans.
    Sure it wasn't Mexican Germans?

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    Re: How come German car makers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Destroyer View Post
    Sure it wasn't Mexican Germans?
    No it was Turks that put the S320 together. Destroyer, I understand you know something about Turks!

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    Re: How come German car makers?

    Quote Originally Posted by 96Fleetwood View Post
    The new Cadillacs are just as bad. How about the $980 dollars my Father just paid to have the left low beam Xenon bulb replaced on his 2006 DTS.
    Do they get paid $300/hour? The bulb is should be less then $150...bi-xenon in the DTS correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orconn View Post
    No it was Turks that put the S320 together. Destroyer, I understand you know something about Turks!
    Nope, not me. I love everyone except for a few......

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    Re: How come German car makers?

    Quote Originally Posted by concorso View Post
    Do they get paid $300/hour? The bulb is should be less then $150...bi-xenon in the DTS correct?
    Yea it's bi-xenon like the Escalade. Still just one bulb but there's a mirror mechanism that throws the light up and out when you hit the high beams. With some cars though just getting to the damn bulb REALLY IS HOURS of labor because the damn manufacturer thinks they'll last the life of the car.

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    Re: How come German car makers?

    Quote Originally Posted by concorso View Post
    Do they get paid $300/hour? The bulb is should be less then $150...bi-xenon in the DTS correct?
    They said you must remove the entire front bumper to replace the bulb. That is where the labor charges came from...ingenious design.
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    Re: How come German car makers?

    A design team is more concerned about an extra inch of front overhang than a 1-hour labor charge. Too bad the wheel-liner committee missed that meeting.

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    Re: How come German car makers?

    Quote Originally Posted by 96Fleetwood View Post
    They said you must remove the entire front bumper to replace the bulb. That is where the labor charges came from...ingenious design.
    I get this as you have to do that with the CTS. For me, it took 2.5 hours to replace the bulbs the first time I needed to. Im sure Ill be able to do it in less then 1.5 hours next time. Either way, 2.5 hours at $100/hour + cost of bulb is still significantly south of $900. If you remove the cost of the bulb, and assume 100/hr labor, it took them about 6 hours to take a bumper off? Id look for another dealer...

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    Re: How come German car makers?

    All my cars are RWD GM. Unfortunately, my wife owns a 1.8T VW Beetle Sport. I have invented new swear words working on that car. I hate it so much. The designers were masochists. It is incomprehensible to me some of the engineering decisions that were made in the manufacturing of that car.

    Can't wait for this summer when I have to do a timing belt and water pump on it. Should be a great time.

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    Re: How come German car makers?

    Quote Originally Posted by jayoldschool View Post
    All my cars are RWD GM. Unfortunately, my wife owns a 1.8T VW Beetle Sport. I have invented new swear words working on that car. I hate it so much. The designers were masochists. It is incomprehensible to me some of the engineering decisions that were made in the manufacturing of that car.

    Can't wait for this summer when I have to do a timing belt and water pump on it. Should be a great time.
    Funny, when you mentioned the Beetle I thought for sure you were gonna mention the headlights, which are apparently among the worst ever to change in anything with 4 wheels.

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