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    Re: What did you do to your car today?

    I guess that it is true, that Cadillac drivers (along with many other Americans) are the "couch potatoes" of the driving world!

    I agree that Honda has a great clutch/manual transmission combination, I don't agree that the BMW manual is a looser.

    I will say that a base engined level 3 series with a automatic is a bit of a dog .... admittedly a good handling dog, but a woofer never the less!

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    All the stick-shift Hondas I've driven are light, precise and satisfying. So was the four speed in my '74 Celica. The BMW Z3 I had for a weekend a few years ago also shifted beautifully and was a perfect match for the matchless straight six. The Z3 is like a Miata in that an automatic in such a car is sacrilegious.

    As I've argued before — in an avalanche of words between me and Rick — a car doesn't have to have a stick to be involving and fun to drive, and you can be a driving enthusiast even if you prefer an automatic as your DD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drewsdeville View Post
    Wasn't it just a few months ago that Ryan said he had enjoyed his time with the Seville, but he'd never go back to a vehicle of similar fundamentals after driving a smaller, nimbler car? To think I got slammed for questioning whether he knew what he actually wanted or not...
    Yeah I do remember that. I don't think I was the one doing the slamming, was I? I think it was others who said I was crazy or BMW's are to plain or small. Something to the effect like that. Of course no Cadillac other than the ATS can match the E46 for driving dynamics. It was such a small, nimble car. A great one at that. But alas, it wasn't meant to be. I have always thought that I would be back in a Seville wether or not I could admit it. I enjoyed mine very much... even when it was being a pain in the ass!

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    Quote Originally Posted by orconn View Post
    I guess that it is true, that Cadillac drivers (along with many other Americans) are the "couch potatoes" of the driving world!

    I agree that Honda has a great clutch/manual transmission combination, I don't agree that the BMW manual is a looser.

    I will say that a base engined level 3 series with a automatic is a bit of a dog .... admittedly a good handling dog, but a woofer never the less!
    Going from a 300HP Northstar V8 to a 2.5 Inline 6 w/ 170hp is quite a difference. Now I will give the BMW points for being smooth as silk all the way to redline but the power wasn't there. It was most noticeable when merging or trying to pass somebody. That's where the Northstar shined so brightly.

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    As I have said before, when the weight and horse power of a car go up the enjoyment of a stick shift goes down. The extra muscle necessary to operate the clutch on a heavy high powered car, and the extra effort to work the gear exchange on such a car, IMO, become work that does not deliver the same enjoyment as in a light car.

    A stick shift in a car like Seville would be hindrance instead of a joy, IMO same goes for a stick in a Corvette. When there is sufficient power to make an automatic provide the same pleasure and performance then I am all for it. But in a light, moderately powered car my choice would be a manual transmission. In my more youthful years I drove plenty of stick shift cars in L.A. traffic and never found it an undue hardship ..... but of course in those days we didn't have all the gadgets and sound systems to distract us from the pleasure of driving a good machine.
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    Re: What did you do to your car today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Koooop View Post
    Here's a good read.

    motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1302_2012_bmw_335i_2013_cadillac_ats_mercedes_benz _c350_comparison/viewall.html
    Forum won't make it a link without the leading stuff:

    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryannel2003 View Post
    Going from a 300HP Northstar V8 to a 2.5 Inline 6 w/ 170hp is quite a difference. Now I will give the BMW points for being smooth as silk all the way to redline but the power wasn't there. It was most noticeable when merging or trying to pass somebody. That's where the Northstar shined so brightly.
    I agree. I commute on a two-lane rural highway, and passing opportunities are limited. Plus, too many Oregon drivers can't find their gas pedals. Stomping on the gas delivers a quick, crisp downshift and the Northstar races for the redline, producing both prodigious thrust and a marvelous sound.

    Quote Originally Posted by orconn View Post
    As I have said before, when the weight and horse power of a car go up the enjoyment of a stick shift goes down. The extra muscle necessary to operate the clutch on a heavy high powered car, and the extra effort to work the gear exchange on such a car, IMO, become work that does not deliver the same enjoyment as in a light car.

    A stick shift in a car like Seville would be hindrance instead of a joy.
    I agree. Even when GM was otherwise putting out crap, its automatic transmissions and air conditioning systems were above reproach. Despite having only four speeds, the automatic in my Seville is smooth, crisp and responsive — exactly what I want.

    A recent issue of Hemmings Muscle Machines had an article discussing the insanity of 8-speed automatics, correctly pointing out that all that shifting up and down is bound to wear parts out faster. With proper ratios, I would think five or at most six speeds would be enough to keep an engine at an efficient RPM at highway speeds.
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    Re: What did you do to your car today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Daddy View Post
    Forum won't make it a link without the leading stuff:

    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
    I am impressed! What they really liked was the Mercedes "red" safety belts. What I got out of the article was they tested three quick cars with a lot of rattles and squeaks .... all for a $50,000 each price tag!
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    Re: What did you do to your car today?

    Much preferred the 4 speed auto in my Seville to the 5 speed unit in the BMW. Both were good but the Seville's was smoother and downshifted quicker. There were times where the BMW's would almost get confused and then it would make up it's mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryannel2003 View Post

    Great cars. It's hard when somebody like me loves BMW's and Cadillac's and don't need both. I still think the new 3 Series is a better car than the ATS.
    Overall, maybe. But anything chassis/suspension? Not even close. The ATS can be improved upon in things the BMW can't...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    Overall, maybe. But anything chassis/suspension? Not even close. The ATS can be improved upon in things the BMW can't...
    Oh yeah that's what I meant. If GM could fix the roughness of the 2.0 Turbo and refine the transmission a bit the car would be a better car than the 3 Series no doubt. The suspension already handily beats the F30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orconn

    I am impressed! What they really liked was the Mercedes "red" safety belts. What I got out of the article was they tested three quick cars with a lot of rattles and squeaks .... all for a $50,000 price tag!
    My lesabre has red seat belts and squeaks.
    And all at 1/20th the price!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cadillac kevin View Post
    My lesabre has red seat belts and squeaks.
    And all at 1/20th the price!!!
    The Lesabre rides smoother too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryannel2003 View Post

    Oh yeah that's what I meant. If GM could fix the roughness of the 2.0 Turbo and refine the transmission a bit the car would be a better car than the 3 Series no doubt. The suspension already handily beats the F30.
    That Ecotec is a VERY tunable motor. It may never be BMW smooth, but it can be lethal...

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    Re: What did you do to your car today?

    Rhetorical question: How many clutches per year would a stereotypical Grandma/Grandpa go through in a 5-speed FWD Seville/Devile ?

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    Re: What did you do to your car today?

    My step-grandmother drove a stick up into her 60s. Her '66 Comet had a three-on-a-tree, and her '76 Granada Ghia had what I suspect was a very rare three-speed on the floor.

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