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    Re: Cars you'd love to own, but are afraid to buy. (lets be realistic)

    Quote Originally Posted by mhamilton View Post
    Those sedans had 2nd gear start (I thought the SEC were 1st gear start, maybe only the later years), you would have to put your foot to the floor to get 1st gear. That can be bypassed, though.

    The 420 was not slow, I can't imagine the 560 being slow. They weren't race cars, but much faster than the Cadillacs of the era. SOHC all-aluminum engines, relatively high compression, in the neighborhood of 200-250 hp. That changed completely if you got an AMG tuned engine with headers and true dual exhaust.
    The AMG tuned stuff is a COMPLETELY different ballpark, and you definitely PAID for it (in fact a 560SEC AMG still brings HEAVY coin today in the right condition).

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    Re: Cars you'd love to own, but are afraid to buy. (lets be realistic)

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    Yes the "big" engined V-8s were faster than Cadillacs of the the 80's, but they also cost in the neighborhood of $50,000, which would put them over $100,000. today. by the way those "high performance" aluminum OHC v-8s were also prone to head gasket problems, sound familiar? Having cut my driving teeth on expensive Mercedes (1956 300D "Adenauer" Mercedes) and having been task with driving relatives and associates 70's, 80's and 90's Mercedes while at the same time owning and regularly driving cars from other makers I've come to feel Mercedes are highly overrated for performance and overall driving experience. But I have to agree that a Mercedes automobile is still tops when it comes to ownership prestige! What the hell, many hundreds of dictators around the world can't be wrong!
    They also have major issues with timing chain tensioners... 100k mile replacement interval. Not sure why Merc (all '80s) and Jag (late '90s, early '00s) had such problems with the same style nylon tensioners that Ford and GM used without issue. Timing chains on the 380s were a problem for some years.

    I think the HG issue was mostly the inline 6 gas engine. The HG issues on those V8s was not nearly as common as the N*. Most times the head bolt threads do not disintegrate, bolts can be re torqued, and of course being RWD it's a trivial job to timesert in the car compared with our N*s.

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    Re: Cars you'd love to own, but are afraid to buy. (lets be realistic)

    Quote Originally Posted by mhamilton View Post
    They also have major issues with timing chain tensioners... 100k mile replacement interval. Not sure why Merc (all '80s) and Jag (late '90s, early '00s) had such problems with the same style nylon tensioners that Ford and GM used without issue. Timing chains on the 380s were a problem for some years.

    I think the HG issue was mostly the inline 6 gas engine. The HG issues on those V8s was not nearly as common as the N*. Most times the head bolt threads do not disintegrate, bolts can be re torqued, and of course being RWD it's a trivial job to timesert in the car compared with our N*s.
    Head gasket on a rear drive Mercedes may be much easier than an N*, but at Mercedes prices probably not much of a savings.

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    Re: Cars you'd love to own, but are afraid to buy. (lets be realistic)

    That's certainly true... if you're relying on someone else to maintain an old (or new) Mercedes, then forget about it lol. Your Mercedes mechanic will be driving a more expensive car than you!

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    Re: Cars you'd love to own, but are afraid to buy. (lets be realistic)

    Quote Originally Posted by Playdrv4me View Post
    Nothing wrong with that, I can hardly imagine there's many Merc enthusiasts (except for Mike, but he has a whole army of cool cars) that would be into wagons either. For most however, those old Mercs represent a classic period for modern luxury motoring. They're just well... dog ass slow. No getting around it.

    My 1987 560SEC took about a day to get to 60 but it got looks the whole way there.
    Some time ago, I had the occasion to spend the day with a early 90s 500 SEL sedan - very clean, low milage (about 20k) vehicle. It was as slow as January Molasses. I had blue haired old ladies smoking me off of stop lights in their Lincoln town cars, guys in beat up Jeep CJ's passing me like I shifted into reverse and traffic in general piling up behind me. All this while mashing the accelerator into the carpeting. Everything about that car was clunky and heavy handed. I was more than glad to give it back.

    I had driven a '78 MB 450 SEL sedan and there was a WORLD of difference between the two cars. The '78 was far more sprightly, and nimble.

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