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    Re: What are your favorite "Classic" Cadillacs?

    Relatively so, Bro. . . .

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    Re: What are your favorite "Classic" Cadillacs?

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    Relatively so, Bro. . . .
    So I would guess that puts you at about 75 historicals?

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    Re: What are your favorite "Classic" Cadillacs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bro-Ham View Post
    Thanks for clarifying. I get curious when folks make claims that don't make much sense, and I like to think we try to have some semblance of historical accuracy so our forum is of value to the car enthusiast community who may refer to what we share.

    From the numbers it is apparent that there weren't many orders for the final year of the base model Calais. So, your assertion that there were Calais models produced at the end of he model year with "every option box checked on the orders" doesn't seem like a car that a Cadillac dealer would voluntarily order for inventory, unless Cadillac was literally giving away all those extra options as an incentive to buy that unpopular model. And that made me think that a logical Cadillac dealer of the time presumably being offered a special deal from the factory on blow out discounted huge amounts of extra options, or being forced to put extra options on cars for inventory, would want that equipment on a model they could actually sell like a last of the line 76 Fleetwood Brougham, or, most sensibly, the super popular, and highest selling Coupe deVille, which was known as "America's Favorite Luxury Car."
    I think TalismanDave is spot on. I also know that there was quite a bit of '76 equipment in the parts depots that might have languished for decades. So the idea of loading up a calais makes sense from an inventory and logistic point of view. From a dealers view, it might one way to get a possible Olds 98 or Buick Electra buyer over to Cadillac. Especially as people weren't keen on a "smaller" full size car, gas crises or not, and this was their last chance at a traditional big car from GM.

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    Re: What are your favorite "Classic" Cadillacs?

    Quote Originally Posted by DouglasJRizzo View Post
    ...I also know that there was quite a bit of '76 equipment in the parts depots that might have languished for decades...
    Statements like this are exactly why I continue to question you.

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    Re: What are your favorite "Classic" Cadillacs?

    For what it is worth there is another reason why I feel that it could be likely that loaded Calais' may have been made.

    In 1976 I was busy, well, being 17. I was not watching the car industry much. However when I was selling Lincoln's in 1980 and the last of the huge Lincolns were going out, a lot of people were grabbing them up with abandon. (In one case, national radio talk show host Bruce Williams even bought a spare one and stored it for when his new one wore out!)

    I assume the same may have been true in 76 with Cadillac.

    If I were at the home office and knew this was happening, and knowing the higher mark-up I had on the accessories, every car that left the factory would have been loaded to the max. In fact with the difference in mark-up between the car and the accessories, and the little difference in base price from a Calais to a Deville or Fleetwood, they would make more profit on a loaded Calais than on a base Fleetwood.

    Sorry, as Dave points out, no documentation or references so it is just conjecture, but I can see how it could have been so?

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    Re: What are your favorite "Classic" Cadillacs?

    Quote Originally Posted by cadillac kevin View Post
    Nope- same here in MO. I bought my car in 2010 with mostly intact panels (with 63k miles for 1500 because it had some body damage and smelled like a bowling alley inside). First time I washed the car (in the summer), one of the quarter panel fillers broke when the water hit it. Then over the next month, the front panels cracked and lost pieces (they were so busted up I just took them off) and the other rear filler collapsed. My intact panels are from local junkyard cars (took me 2 years to find 1.5 sets of filler panels in the local yards.)
    Hey, you do know they still produce new fillers, right? The material is better and you just paint them over. Looks like new again.

    Just one example:
    http://sandkindustries.com/76DEVCAD.HTML

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    Quote Originally Posted by 70eldo

    Hey, you do know they still produce new fillers, right? The material is better and you just paint them over. Looks like new again.

    Just one example:
    http://sandkindustries.com/76DEVCAD.HTML
    I'll paint my junkyard ones and put them on....hopefully by the time they disintegrate, I'll either have another set of junkyard ones or buy new ones.

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    Re: What are your favorite "Classic" Cadillacs?

    Quote Originally Posted by talismandave View Post
    For what it is worth there is another reason why I feel that it could be likely that loaded Calais' may have been made.

    In 1976 I was busy, well, being 17. I was not watching the car industry much. However when I was selling Lincoln's in 1980 and the last of the huge Lincolns were going out, a lot of people were grabbing them up with abandon. (In one case, national radio talk show host Bruce Williams even bought a spare one and stored it for when his new one wore out!)

    I assume the same may have been true in 76 with Cadillac.

    If I were at the home office and knew this was happening, and knowing the higher mark-up I had on the accessories, every car that left the factory would have been loaded to the max. In fact with the difference in mark-up between the car and the accessories, and the little difference in base price from a Calais to a Deville or Fleetwood, they would make more profit on a loaded Calais than on a base Fleetwood.

    Sorry, as Dave points out, no documentation or references so it is just conjecture, but I can see how it could have been so?
    There doesn't have to be. If engineering was quote things like this to SME, years ago, your guess is most likely an accurate one. Unlike the sales/marketing guys, us engineers have to deal with the nuts n' bolts.
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    I have split this hair because the original statement was made authoritatively as though it was heard first-hand, but after probing it was revealed to have been read in a publication of which we have no specific reference, so I feel it should be couched as an anecdote if we are attempting to engineer a useful forum.

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    To get this thread back on point - - is a Cimarron a classic Cadillac? I like the earlier Cimarron models, especially 1983 and 1984 with their more traditional appearance. I have always thought about making a Cimarron convertible by using Cimarron exterior trim and interior on a Cavalier convertible. It would be a one of a kind car - for better or for worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bro-Ham
    I have split this hair because the original statement was made authoritatively as though it was heard first-hand, but after probing it was revealed to have been read in a publication of which we have no specific reference, so I feel it should be couched as an anecdote if we are attempting to engineer a useful forum.

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    To get this thread back on point - - is a Cimarron a classic Cadillac? I like the earlier Cimarron models, especially 1983 and 1984 with their more traditional appearance. I have always thought about making a Cimarron convertible by using Cimarron exterior trim and interior on a Cavalier convertible. It would be a one of a kind car - for better or for worse.
    Put a turbo 6 cylinder in it and it might be worthy of wearing the cadillac crest...maybe

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadillac kevin View Post
    Put a turbo 6 cylinder in it and it might be worthy of wearing the cadillac crest...maybe
    Being of the early 80's, a pathetic four cylinder would be period appropriate, and pathetic. Imagine a Cameo Ivory Cimarron convertible with tan leather and tan top. I think it would be kind of hot in an 80's sort of way. I may just have to get all cocktailed up and make this car happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bro-Ham

    Being of the early 80's, a pathetic four cylinder would be period appropriate, and pathetic. Imagine a Cameo Ivory Cimarron convertible with tan leather and tan top. I think it would be kind of hot in an 80's sort of way. I may just have to get all cocktailed up and make this car happen.
    I'll be busy that day

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadillac kevin View Post
    I'll be busy that day
    If I were smart I should be too. But, as they say on the lottery commercial: it could happen!

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    Re: What are your favorite "Classic" Cadillacs?

    Ever since you first posted this idea I have been quietly obsessed with it too! Damn you Dave!

    I really like the idea, as well as buying one and restoring it as the original. I have always been into odd and unloved cars and Cimarron qualifies on both counts! Plus it would be a dirt cheap purchase and runner. When you look at the taillights and front end they are reminiscent of an Allante.

    I also looked at some one night and wondered about trying to convert one to a more traditional front and rear end treatments using FWD body parts. In the morning however, I woke up sober again.....

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    I never knew "Cimarron" has to do with horses until I googled for pictures...

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