Lose Car over 50 over limit

[Jon]

Originally Posted by Murphyg

After a few replies, I thought to explain as to why the law was passed.

That is why I have a problem with your arguement. Your justification of this law is from a couple stories where people turned in front of oncoming cars. And in 1 case the guy was really drunk.

Then you completely ignore the fault of the "victims" and blame the whole accident on speeding...

So this law is passed because the public knows half the facts.

[Murphyg]

Originally Posted by Jon

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Right. I'm sure all these 25-30 year old cops in my neighbourhood all drive nice cars and aren't jealous of me at all.

I clicked and the first thing I saw was this line. I havent even read the rest of your post yet.

You know maybe your right. Every single 25-30 year old cop in your neighborhood is sooooo sooooo jealous of your car.
There lives are so insignificant that they cant sleep at night because all they can think of is how badly they were you and had a car like yours.

I just dont know what to say That is just sooo freakin hilarious !

Oh! Oh! Oh! I know I know
You use Axe Body Spray too right. And not because you think it smells good.
But because you actually believe that what happens in the commercials is true

I know I said that I didnt know what to say. But it just came to me so had too say it.

Another thing that will happen when you open your eyes and look at the world as an adult. You'll learn not to set yourself up so easy ally.

You really cant get mad at me for that. If your gonna strut around and portray yourself with that kind of an ego. Then your gonna have to expect and be able to shrug off those kind of comebacks.

Seriously. You left yourself wide wide open for that. That was just way too easy.

[Murphyg]

Originally Posted by Jon

That is why I have a problem with your arguement. Your justification of this law is from a couple stories where people turned in front of oncoming cars. And in 1 case the guy was really drunk.

Then you completely ignore the fault of the "victims" and blame the whole accident on speeding...

So this law is passed because the public knows half the facts.

Are you seriously saying that you were not aware of the progression of the street racing that was occurring ?
And I will say it again. "The Law Was Passed Because Of The Progression Of Street Racing" It wasnt because of specifically speeding. It was because of the progression of "Street Racing".
It was more than a couple of stories. More than the media. Common freakin knowledge ! It was becoming a regular thing. What rock have you been living under ?

[mgscustomtune]

The law is nothing more than a cash grab. In our society that is becoming more and more goverment controlled. I think we have more laws than a Comunist Country in Canada. Crack down on crime and drunk drivers not the guy who is running late to get to work to provide for his family or others who just want to open there car up on a clear hwy . Just look at Europe where countries have no speed limit on there super hwy's there death toll is no more. I think the law is bull ****. But if anyone likes to show by example and bring your car to me l can set speedlimiter at 100klm/hr.

[Jon]

Originally Posted by Murphyg

I clicked and the first thing I saw was this line. I havent even read the rest of your post yet.

You know maybe your right. Every single 25-30 year old cop in your neighborhood is sooooo sooooo jealous of your car.
There lives are so insignificant that they cant sleep at night because all they can think of is how badly they were you and had a car like yours.

I just dont know what to say That is just sooo freakin hilarious !

Oh! Oh! Oh! I know I know
You use Axe Body Spray too right. And not because you think it smells good.
But because you actually believe that what happens in the commercials is true

I know I said that I didnt know what to say. But it just came to me so had too say it.

Another thing that will happen when you open your eyes and look at the world as an adult. You'll learn not to set yourself up so easy ally.

You really cant get mad at me for that. If your gonna strut around and portray yourself with that kind of an ego. Then your gonna have to expect and be able to shrug off those kind of comebacks.

Seriously. You left yourself wide wide open for that. That was just way too easy.

Seriously, what the hell would you know? How old are you? I'm 22. I KNOW the attention I get from the cops.

Last fall I was sitting at the lights. I'm the first car in the left, cop is the 2nd car in the right lane. Light turns green I'm doing 60 on the dot and the guy beside me (that was in front of the cop) is pulling away. I would guess 75-80. The cop decides to stay behind me. So here's some guy going 20~ over the limit but he decides to stay behind me. Hmmmm.

[Jon]

Originally Posted by Murphyg

Are you seriously saying that you were not aware of the progression of the street racing that was occurring ?
And I will say it again. "The Law Was Passed Because Of The Progression Of Street Racing" It wasnt because of specifically speeding. It was because of the progression of "Street Racing".
It was more than a couple of stories. More than the media. Common freakin knowledge ! It was becoming a regular thing. What rock have you been living under ?

You're so deluded it's pathetic. If this law is to combat street racing then why the hell can people be charged under it if they're the ONLY CAR ON THE ROAD?!

[Murphyg]

So now Ive read the rest:

Originally Posted by Jon

Bullshit. What about stupid ass people who jump on the highway, do 60km/h on the merging lane and cut out in front of a car doing 100 without speeding up?

My girlfriend and sister KNOW they can't drive so they DON'T. If you can't fvcking drive, stay the fvck off the roads.

You forgot to add:
If you cant obey the rules of the roads then dont drive. You dont have the right to think your above any one else and the rules dont apply to you.
You admitted yourself that you speed. Which mind you is against the law. But you seem to think its OK for you. But you get upset when someone else breaks the law and doesnt yield what you believe mat be your right of way while your speeding. You get upset with them for driving hazardously against the law. But no one should be upset with you ?
Why is it ok for you to break the law but not others ?
Why should the rules only apply to others and not you

Originally Posted by Jon

Never said speeding was always "ok". My problem is people like you put the blame SOLELY on the people that were speeding.

I dont know where you got the idea that I blame accidents SOLELY on speeding. I dont know where this people like "me" thing came from.
It was my attempt to explain the reason why this 50 over law was passed.
The law was passed because of the progression of Street Racing. Once again. Im not going to search for every incident that has occurred over the past X amount of years. If you have no clue as to why the law was passed. If you yourself believe its only because of the couple of incidents that were mentioned here. Then you should expand your world a bit more than your neighborhood, and what you perceive to be all the cops that live there that are jealous of you.

Originally Posted by Jon

If you knew the father was impaired why didn't you mention it? I guess you're just like everybody else. Let's hide the fault of the "innocent dad" so the speeders look worse. The wife wasn't driving, but she's still dead. Yes, that is true. She's also just as stupid. Would YOU let someone who's drunk get behind the wheel of a car? Would YOU get into the car with them? If so then I suspect you will stop posting here soon and we'll never hear from you again.

I already explained why I didnt bring it up. You have made it quite obvious that you dont pay attention to all that one says.
You also appear to be quite a crass and insensitive sociopath. Dead and stupid you called her.
I only say that because it really does appear that you are blaming her and calling her stupid because of others that were breaking the law.
Werther it be her husband that was driving her. Or the individuals that were Racing. As well as some of the other things that you have said. You really do appear to be quit cold and uncaring.

You have made quit a few statements on how you believe that its ok for you to break the laws. But then on how upset you get when others do the same.
Your indifferent views on the deaths of others is also quit disturbing.
Your disregard and continued arguing about statements that have already been explained and clarified is also quite masochistic.

I really cant do this with you anymore

[Jon]

Originally Posted by Murphyg

So now Ive read the rest:



You forgot to add:
If you cant obey the rules of the roads then dont drive. You dont have the right to think your above any one else and the rules dont apply to you.
You admitted yourself that you speed. Which mind you is against the law. But you seem to think its OK for you. But you get upset when someone else breaks the law and doesnt yield what you believe mat be your right of way while your speeding. You get upset with them for driving hazardously against the law. But no one should be upset with you ?
Why is it ok for you to break the law but not others ?
Why should the rules only apply to others and not you


I dont know where you got the idea that I blame accidents SOLELY on speeding. I dont know where this people like "me" thing came from.
It was my attempt to explain the reason why this 50 over law was passed.
The law was passed because of the progression of Street Racing. Once again. Im not going to search for every incident that has occurred over the past X amount of years. If you have no clue as to why the law was passed. If you yourself believe its only because of the couple of incidents that were mentioned here. Then you should expand your world a bit more than your neighborhood, and what you perceive to be all the cops that live there that are jealous of you.



I already explained why I didnt bring it up. You have made it quite obvious that you dont pay attention to all that one says.
You also appear to be quite a crass and insensitive sociopath. Dead and stupid you called her.
I only say that because it really does appear that you are blaming her and calling her stupid because of others that were breaking the law.
Werther it be her husband that was driving her. Or the individuals that were Racing. As well as some of the other things that you have said. You really do appear to be quit cold and uncaring.

You have made quit a few statements on how you believe that its ok for you to break the laws. But then on how upset you get when others do the same.
Your indifferent views on the deaths of others is also quit disturbing.
Your disregard and continued arguing about statements that have already been explained and clarified is also quite masochistic.

I really cant do this with you anymore

Good, then leave.

I never said it was ok fine for me to speed. If I speed and I get nailed for speeding, sure, I deserve it. I have told you the 50 over part of Bill 203 is not my main concern. Go back up and read. It's the fact that "stunting" can be defined as almost anything and it is ALL UP TO THE officer that pulls you over.

I follow the flow of traffic on the highway. Is that speeding? Yes it is. Am I disturbing other people? Do people have to take action to avoid me? No. If I turn in front of oncoming cars does that disturb them? Do they have to take action to avoid me? YES.

Yes, you did blame accidents solely on speeding. The fact that you dismissed and hid the fact that Mr. Manchester was completely drunk shows that. You wanted everyone to believe that the accident was because those 2 kids were "street racing."

You can call me uncaring and whatever. Yes, I am cold. Again I ask you, would you get into a car with a drunk driver?

[Caddyshack100]

Whether someone is speeding, stunt driving or Racing, when you strip away all the rhetoric, its about speed. Our society and the Americans have sped themselves up, I do not think its about selfishness, or I own the road and get out of my way because I am more important. In the last 15 years, we have become much more crowded and a lot less tolerant of Traffic Lights, Stop Signs and other political devices to slow us down. For some reason, politicians and planners want us to cram into smaller and smaller spaces so they can provide or so they believe services (read public Transit) and try and force people to not use their cars. THis all effects the way we drive. The law as its stands is seriously flawed, it leaves too much in the hands of the police officer, it goes against every grain of common sense, you are innocent until proven guility, this is not Mexico. I will be 45 this year, when I was young, I had a 69 Dodge Charger, and yes I did race it on the streets, Woodbridge mostly. The cops knew about it, in fact sometimes they would be watching as well. I am not saying that today, we had hotter cars then and some today, this was not an issue, since people have had cars, they have raced each other, all of a sudden its a problem. While its politically correct to attack, speeders, stunter, racers. I believe that politicians and police need to address much more important issues. Ontario has not got its priorities straight when it comes to traffic control, all levels of government go out of their way to harrass the motorist. Taxes at the pump, no new highways, toll roads, losing your licence if you drink and boat. Forcing people to buy auto insurance thus causing the high insurance levels today. All this plays a part. Jon is right on the money when he says as a young man he is given more 'attention' Young people today are screwed when you compare what I went through, now they can not buy cars without the help of mom and dad, or pay through the nose for Facility insurance. Jon you are 22, what do you pay for insurance, 400 month if you are lucky, and I bet the company you insure through does not care if you a good driver or not, they have you by the balls until 25 and they will milk you until then.

[Murphyg]

I myself did not pass the law.
I was only making an attempt to explain the reasoning behind the governments decision.

Please do not shoot the messenger !

It is an argument that can/and has been going on for years. Actually; since the first week motor vehicles first hit the road.

Governments This ! Police Officers That ! They are all out to get us !!

I agree that we are no where near a Utopian existence. But without the laws that we have selected. Without the Rights that we have decided should apply to all. Without the Governments we have elected to appoint such positions of law and order......
Where then would we be ?

Should add....Side note:

Originally Posted by mgscustomtune

........................ Just look at Europe where countries have no speed limit on there super hwy's there death toll is no more. I think the law is bull ****. ..............................

Those European countries that have highways with no speed limits in designated sections, They are a free for all.
Free for all in the sense that any kind of damage and or loss of life is bestowed upon the driver at fault. No insurance coverage what so ever ! Whom ever the Government appointed Police/Investigators deem to be at fault are the ones whom pay.
And they pay out of there pocket. They Kill someone, then they pay, And they pay very large !!!
If you wish to drive like that then you and solely you are responsible for your actions. It is set for those that "believe" they are talented enough to press those limits. But still set up in such a manner as to exonerate those that wish to exist within the laws of a democratic society to be accepted by all.
If you wish to press the limits. Then you may do so. But you do so amongst others that also wish too. Not amongst innocence that like to believe those around them are also law abiding citizens.

There are places for that in Europe. As well as many places for that in North America. There is a time and a place for excessive speed limits etc........

And it should not be on public roads.

Turning this into an argument about *******s that have a certain job that deals with the public is nonsense.
Ive had more problems with dicks when tryin to order a pizza. And if they had they power Im sure they would have given me a fine. But Im guessing that all they did was spit on my cheese.

We are all human beings. And as is certainally noticeable here. It doesnt take much to set some off and want to retaliate.
Just go with the flow and and maybe take some meds, (if need be), to get out of that paranoia the paranoia that the government, the cops, the world, is out to get you.

Originally Posted by Caddyshack100

In the last 15 years, we have become much more crowded and a lot less tolerant of Traffic Lights, Stop Signs and other political devices to slow us down. For some reason, politicians and planners want us to cram into smaller and smaller spaces so they can provide or so they believe services (read public Transit) and try and force people to not use their cars. THis all effects the way we drive. .

One must remember, that the reason as to why we congregate in such a clustered way, has nothing to do with the government.
It is not the fault of the government to want us to use public transit.
It is not the government that is forcing us to into residing withing close quarters.
It is not the fault of the government as to where the masses reside.
We have always been intelligent enough to know, that to prosper, we must be along the trade routes.

"That is not something that the government came up with!!!"

That is plain common sense

Im sure that many arent pleased with the way North America....(Or the Free World for that matter)......is governed. But to put onus upon the government for just a few, against the rights of us all as a whole...............

Give an inch and take a mile I guess.
Maybe some just need something to Bitch about.
Maybe some are just selfish.
Maybe some believe they are above the rest and feel that certain particular laws are below there status.
Maybe some dont have a clue that the world doesnt revolve around them.
Maybe some dont have a clue that society doesnt function on an individual basis.
Maybe some dont have a clue as to how well they really have it.

Maybe some dont have a clue as to what "IT" is

It is an argument that can/and has been going on for years. Actually... since the first week motor vehicles first hit the road.
I myself did not pass the law.
I was only making an attempt to explain the reasoning behind the governments decision.

Please do not shoot the messenger !