There is a good reason behind that new law.
Orwellian doesnt even come into the picture. No one is attempting to take away your cars (books). No one is attempting to control your thoughts or practices. There is no attempt at controlling the aspects of individual freedoms.
It is all about safety towards the general public.
Some may believe it may be harsh.
But there is a much larger reality behind the decision in passing that law.
It has to do with the true reality and harshness of the unnecessary deaths that have become a regular fixture on the roads here.
Not necessarily to curb highway speeds.
But to attempt to stop the continually rising rate of unnecessary deaths because of hazardous speeds on other roads.
It got to the point that too too many were dying because of (blatantly obvious) excessive speeds and total disregard of safe driving on all the provinces "roads".
Street racing was/had become a serious problem. Until that law was passed.....one would hear in the news most every day about another death because of someone racing.
It was almost an everyday thing.
Passengers in back of taxi killed when hit by driver doing 120 in 70 zone ! Racing suspected !
Couple killed making turn in intersection by (suspected) racer running red light. Believed to be doing 150 in 60 zone !
And it goes on and on.....It was an every day thing. Every day someone was dying because of irresponsible racing all over the city.
It wasnt until I read this thread, did I realize that no longer are the daily headlines again and again reporting deaths because of street racing etc......
Obviously it has made a difference. And I see that as a good thing.
To think that taking someones car away for doing 100 in a 50 zone is harsh....thats baffling ???
The fact that anyone would want to do 100 in a 50 zone is what is really harsh !!!!!
For those that say that speed doesnt kill. Should check your facts. It may not always kill the one that is doing the speeding.
But more often than not. When it does kill. It kills someone that is minding there own business. May it be a passenger in the speeding vehicle.....or your mother on her way home from shopping.
The reason that law was passed was because there were too too many deaths occurring on our streets.
BTW: Those in PA and NY should know. Our top highway speed limits here, are higher than there anyways. So when going our limits, you are probably at the max that would be allowed for yous, before getting nervous of a ticket. And you believe its wrong to want to go even faster than that and not be penalized even harder !!!!
Thats harsh.....and....total bull.... I believe were the comments.......Will mention as well seein as Im almost there anyways.
There were actually 2 incidents last year, that I recall, regarding Americans speeding on our roads that killed people.
One involved a women going over 50 than our limit hitting a car on the shoulder with its hazard lights on.
She hit it so hard that she killed the man in the car waiting for assistance. As well as killing her own father in the passenger side of her car.
The other one was a couple of teens that came up here and took out another vehicle while racing in the city streets. Death again etc......But lo and behold the ones racing/speeding survived.........
Innocents were dying every day here. And since that law was passed the headlines have changed. The unnecessary deaths have decreased exponentially.
If passing a law that 50 over the limit will result in charges related to racing. And that law alters the number of deaths of Mothers, Fathers, and or there children......Which it has clearly done...
Where is the negative in that ?????????????????????????????????
I dont see anything harsh about that. And certainally not Orwillian.
Getting your car taken away for a week and possibly being fined very very large for doing 50 over sucks.
But killing someone because of being reckless and inconsiderate towards the rest of society. Because of thinking that the rules of society dont pertain to you......I call that a waste of skin and water and something that is not needed.
Why dont we just scrap that law. And if you drive over the limits. If racing and being irresponsible and kill some one. Then we put a bullet in your brain ???????????
Actually couldnt do that. Anyone know why ???
Cause THAT would be Orwellian.
The less families and lives being destroyed the better.
And if taking a car away for going over 50 prevents at least one child or parent from dying. Then Im for It.
It has to do with the true reality and harshness of the unnecessary deaths that have become a regular fixture on the roads here.
Not necessarily to curb highway speeds.
But to attempt to stop the continually rising rate of unnecessary deaths because of hazardous speeds on other roads.
It got to the point that too too many were dying because of (blatantly obvious) excessive speeds and total disregard of safe driving on all the provinces "roads".
Street racing was/had become a serious problem. Until that law was passed.....one would hear in the news most every day about another death because of someone racing.
It was almost an everyday thing.
Passengers in back of taxi killed when hit by driver doing 120 in 70 zone ! Racing suspected !
Couple killed making turn in intersection by (suspected) racer running red light. Believed to be doing 150 in 60 zone !
That's a load of crap. Excessive speeds themselves don't cause accidents. It's stupid people who are unattentive that result in devestating accidents.
Your 2 examples are both cases where people turned IN FRONT OF SPEEDING CARS. If you're stupid enough to turn in front of 2 speeding cars you deserve to be killed. Accidents like these happen ALL the time. Only the ones that involve suspected street racing make the news because it's good for the media.
Speed is only a small part of the problem. It's people not being able to obey the right of way, and feeling the need to cut out in traffic in front of other oncoming cars. For some reason they feel these other cars should slow down for them to make a left turn. Everytime I'm going straight and some idiot makes a turn in front of me causing me to slam on my brakes I tell myself, "one day they're gonna get killed doing this." And they do. Well deserved too.
"Couple killed making turn in intersection by (suspected) racer running red light. Believed to be doing 150 in 60 zone !"
Happened 5 minutes from my house. You're worse than the media. Do you know ANYTHING about this story?
80 zone, not 60. The "150km/h" was quoted by witnesses who wanted to play cop. Accident report ended up showing it was about 115km/h or so. I drive by this area a couple times a week. It is a STRAIGHT road. Couple was making a left turn. 2 oncoming cars. There's no way they didn't see them. They were just stupid.
Oh wait, here's the best part. The driver that turned in front of the 2 "racing" cars was DRUNK OFF HIS ASS. OVER 2 times the legal limit. Why didn't you put that in your post? Is it because you support drunk driving or you just simply didn't know the facts?
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To think that taking someones car away for doing 100 in a 50 zone is harsh....thats baffling ???
The fact that anyone would want to do 100 in a 50 zone is what is really harsh !!!!!
100 in a 50 is stupid. 150 in a 100 zone can be justified. Or here's a better one. There's a highway in Brampton that ends and turns into a normal 2 or 3 lane highway. Cops LOVE to sit at the end of the highway with a line of tow trucks waiting for unsuspecting drivers that aren't aware of the speed limit change. Gee, I wonder if they're all concerned with safety. You'd be absolutely stupid to believe that they were.
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For those that say that speed doesnt kill. Should check your facts. It may not always kill the one that is doing the speeding.
But more often than not. When it does kill. It kills someone that is minding there own business. May it be a passenger in the speeding vehicle.....or your mother on her way home from shopping.
The reason that law was passed was because there were too too many deaths occurring on our streets.
I got a better idea. You check yours. The % of car accidents related to speed compared to anything else is VERY small.
And the biggest problem with this law isn't the 50 over part. It's the "stunting" part.
Aggressive lane changes, squealing tires, almost anything can be considered "stunting". This is SOLEY up to the officer's discretion. They can impound your car if you make a lane change and they call it "aggressive".
So let's see... Young teenager, nice car, jealous cop. If I make a lane change that's even questionable, the cop can take my car. It's his word against mine, and even if I'm found innocent in court, my car's already been taken for a week, and I have the impound fines to pay.
Middle aged lady driving a Camry accidentally squeals her tires. Cop won't care, it's an accident. I accidentally do the same thing in my car and I guarantee you I'm in the back of a cruiser watching my car get towed.
That's the problem. No one's arguing 100 in a 50 zone should be ok.
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Speeding is really a red herring and its the easiest for the police to deal with as they have the role of Tax collector. MurphyG, all the points you raised have a great deal of value to them, However rather than looking at the speeding and racing and stunt driving issue, it may be wiser to look at what is causing this? First off, speed limits on our roads are too low, people have been voting with their right foot for decades. That means the 400 series as well as the rural roads, 130 on the main and 100 on the rural would be a good place to start. We also need to recognize that society in general has changed.. The 'Just in Time' system in place has caused more mayhem and rushing than anything else in our recent history, This is what causes the trucks to speed like maniacs to get their loads delivered on time, if not then they do not get paid, pretty good motivation. In Brampton a gravel truck tore through an intersection just sounding his horn, reason, he was trying to make a living, The real reason, Airport road has become a traffic light nightmare, that combined with lower speed limits have turned this fellows life into a nightmare. This was not taking away from those poor people who he hit but as with everything, there are always two sides to everything. Now of course the cops will wait there so they can nab people, this on a 6 lane road with a 60 limit. We also need to have a set standard for Stop signs, and speed limits throughout the province, Drive through Orr lake on hwy 93 and ask yourself why it has a 50 limit, no reason for it, political only, Stop signs have sprouted all over, not for safety sake, just for NIMBY's who do not want people travelling on their arterial roads, not cul de sacs, We have to stop putting schools on main roads, it is not safe for the little ones to be so near a highway, Cookstown and Hillsdale, and on Hwy 88 good examples of where not to put schools, Essa road coming into Barrie, A Timothy Christian School decided to squat and now we are cursed with a 40 limit through there, Ardagh road in Barrie, another silly design, this has now got 4 lanes and a 50 limit rather than the 80 it once had, Madness. We also have to realize that for some strange reason, people have declared war on the car, this in a country that is not made for public transit. Ironically, Toronto has a higher limit on its main streets than everybody else, 60 versus 50. Once we get everything in proper perspective and every community is online then we can look for some solutions.
Speeding is really a red herring and its the easiest for the police to deal with as they have the role of Tax collector. MurphyG, all the points you raised have a great deal of value to them, However rather than looking at the speeding and racing and stunt driving issue, it may be wiser to look at what is causing this? First off, speed limits on our roads are too low, people have been voting with their right foot for decades. That means the 400 series as well as the rural roads, 130 on the main and 100 on the rural would be a good place to start. We also need to recognize that society in general has changed.. The 'Just in Time' system in place has caused more mayhem and rushing than anything else in our recent history, This is what causes the trucks to speed like maniacs to get their loads delivered on time, if not then they do not get paid, pretty good motivation. In Brampton a gravel truck tore through an intersection just sounding his horn, reason, he was trying to make a living, The real reason, Airport road has become a traffic light nightmare, that combined with lower speed limits have turned this fellows life into a nightmare. This was not taking away from those poor people who he hit but as with everything, there are always two sides to everything. Now of course the cops will wait there so they can nab people, this on a 6 lane road with a 60 limit. We also need to have a set standard for Stop signs, and speed limits throughout the province, Drive through Orr lake on hwy 93 and ask yourself why it has a 50 limit, no reason for it, political only, Stop signs have sprouted all over, not for safety sake, just for NIMBY's who do not want people travelling on their arterial roads, not cul de sacs, We have to stop putting schools on main roads, it is not safe for the little ones to be so near a highway, Cookstown and Hillsdale, and on Hwy 88 good examples of where not to put schools, Essa road coming into Barrie, A Timothy Christian School decided to squat and now we are cursed with a 40 limit through there, Ardagh road in Barrie, another silly design, this has now got 4 lanes and a 50 limit rather than the 80 it once had, Madness. We also have to realize that for some strange reason, people have declared war on the car, this in a country that is not made for public transit. Ironically, Toronto has a higher limit on its main streets than everybody else, 60 versus 50. Once we get everything in proper perspective and every community is online then we can look for some solutions.
Again... The people who got hit in that truck accident appear to be completely innocent according to most people. The big dump truck and the girl that got hit were going opposite directions. If the dump truck had a red, so did the girl.
It's a big dump truck... Not easy to stop. How you don't see a big dump truck, and then decide to drive out in front of one is a mystery to me. Would someone step onto a street and walk in front of a moving car? Why do they do that in a car? Don't tell me they can't judge that the dump truck can't stop. How can someone who can't judge the speed/intentions of another vehicle obtain a driver's license?
That's where the problem lies. There are way too many clueless people on the streets.
And the media just loves to blow shit outta proportion. They went on and on about how the girl was a student at York university, blah blah blah. It's not relevant. What she does and who she is has nothing to do with how the accident happened.
Same with the couple that got flattened while making a left turn. Blah blah blah. One daughter left behind. What does that have to do with the cause/fault of the accident? Nothing. But the media uses it to mess with the public to get these stupid laws passed. THEN, they VERY QUIETLY release the info. that the father who was killed was drunk off his ass by over 2x the legal amount.
And then you guys all fall into it screaming street racing this street racing that.
Jon, its my understanding that the people who were killed, were making a left turn on a green light, the gravel truck drove through a red light with his horn blaring, correct me if I am wrong here.
Jon, its my understanding that the people who were killed, were making a left turn on a green light, the gravel truck drove through a red light with his horn blaring, correct me if I am wrong here.
They were facing opposite directions. Dump truck was going straight and the girl in the Civic (I think it was a Civic) was going the opposite direction but making a left turn in front of the dump truck's path.
These directions are probably not accurate, but it's an example:
Dump truck going South.
Civic facing North but making a left turn (so turning to the West.)
Light was probably going from Yellow to Red. Dump truck is freakin big and heavy so it couldn't stop. Girl in Civic decided to "race" the dump truck across the intersection (or just didn't see it, but how could she not hear it?) and got crushed.
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That's a load of crap. Excessive speeds themselves don't cause accidents. It's stupid people who are unattentive that result in devestating accidents.
Its not a load of crap. Stupid inattentive people that are speeding create devastating accidents.
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Your 2 examples are both cases where people turned IN FRONT OF SPEEDING CARS. If you're stupid enough to turn in front of 2 speeding cars you deserve to be killed. Accidents like these happen ALL the time. Only the ones that involve suspected street racing make the news because it's good for the media.
Im sure you would change your tune if your Mother, Brother, Sister, Father, Any one close to you for that matter; Got hit and killed by someone whom was excessively speeding. Would you and could you truly go through life believing that your Wife, Girlfriend, your infant child (that wasnt driving), "deserved" to be killed ? Do you truly believe that someone killed by another while ignoring the laws that are set for all off society is not responsible ? That the ones that are killed actually deserved it ??????
If Anything In This Thread Is Harsh.....That Is !!!!!
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Speed is only a small part of the problem. It's people not being able to obey the right of way, and feeling the need to cut out in traffic in front of other oncoming cars. For some reason they feel these other cars should slow down for them to make a left turn. Everytime I'm going straight and some idiot makes a turn in front of me causing me to slam on my brakes I tell myself, "one day they're gonna get killed doing this." And they do. Well deserved too.
You have a problem with others that dont want to obey traffic laws. IE: Obeying the right of way.
But if you want to disobey the traffic law about speeding then that should be ok
Basically everyone should be specifically looking out for you, because you are special and the laws shouldnt refer to you ?
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"Couple killed making turn in intersection by (suspected) racer running red light. Believed to be doing 150 in 60 zone !"
Happened 5 minutes from my house. You're worse than the media. Do you know ANYTHING about this story?
Yes I do.
I know that people in one vehicle were killed by someone in another that was racing. Sorry I didnt get the speed limits correct. I was just using as example. I did say "believed". BTW Were you a witness ?
Should also mention. Is a lot more difficult for accident investigators to gauge speed now a days. Antilock brakes reduce skid marks. I remember when they were quite adamant about the speeds. They never used to say that someone was going "about"...
And if you werent a witness where did you get your facts from ? Was it from the media by chance ? Or was it from a friend of a friend that knew some one.........etc.....Please dont try to say that you personally went out of your way to retrieve your own copy of the police report.
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80 zone, not 60. The "150km/h" was quoted by witnesses who wanted to play cop. Accident report ended up showing it was about 115km/h or so. I drive by this area a couple times a week. It is a STRAIGHT road. Couple was making a left turn. 2 oncoming cars. There's no way they didn't see them. They were just stupid.
Oh wait, here's the best part. The driver that turned in front of the 2 "racing" cars was DRUNK OFF HIS ASS. OVER 2 times the legal limit. Why didn't you put that in your post? Is it because you support drunk driving or you just simply didn't know the facts?
I was aware the father/husband was impaired. I didnt think he was as much over the limit as you state though. But I guess you got that from the media. I neglected to add that to my post because we are discussing the law introduced to prevent deaths due to negligent racers. The wife wasnt driving. But she is still dead. They were hit by a vehicle that was involved in racing on a public road.
Im guessing, (by the way you are going with this), if any one that was involved in the racing were killed, Then you would have been all over the driver of the other vehicle as being a fault ?
It appears you are are one of those that wants to pick and choose the laws that suit you ? Is that correct ? Screw the rest of society if it doesnt suit your own delusions of grandeurs ?
Only asking is all !
Remember. You said your self. There are a lot of stupid and inattentive people out there. So do you really think it would be right to abolish laws and raise limits for the likes of the few that believe they are so much better drivers than the rest ? Would it be a good idea to let allow the rest of the inattentive idiots operate vehicles in such a way when they aren't even capable of doing it safely now ?
LMFAO !!!!
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100 in a 50 is stupid. 150 in a 100 zone can be justified. Or here's a better one. There's a highway in Brampton that ends and turns into a normal 2 or 3 lane highway. Cops LOVE to sit .............................
Im not going to get into the cop thing or the tax thing for that matter. Thats not what this thread is about. A least I didnt see it that way. The law was passed because of excessive racing on our streets. And since the law was passed that has decreased. This summer though......well.... time will tell.
I dont though, see why you have a problem with 100 in a 50 zone. Especially if you have a problem with 150 in a 100 zone ?
Is it because that much speed in a 50 zone could kill someone ?? Is it because the stupid and inattentive pedestrians dont deserve to be killed when they walk into the intersection to cross the road and get hit by a racer.
Which has also happened. Which is another reason as to why the law was passed.
The law was passed because of too many people dying due to the result of "racing" on public roads.
If you want to be pissed off about it. Be pissed off at the irresponsible, self serving, inconsiderate individuals, that believe public roads are there to be used as there own personal play ground. Blame them. Dont blame the numerous greaving familys that have decided that enough is enough and dont want to see anyone else go through the same loss that they have.
I only had a few examples there. One of them the exact facts may have been off. But that doesnt change the reasoning behind why the law was passed. It was getting out of control and thats that.
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I got a better idea. You check yours. The % of car accidents related to speed compared to anything else is VERY small.
But what about Deaths ? I didnt think I was talking about accidents per say. I thought I was talking about deaths. The main reason as to the passing of the law
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And the biggest problem with this law isn't the 50 over part. It's the "stunting" part.
Aggressive lane changes, squealing tires, almost anything can be considered "stunting". This is SOLEY up to the officer's discretion. They can impound your car if you make a lane change and they call it "aggressive".
So let's see... Young teenager, nice car, jealous cop. If I make a lane change that's even questionable, the cop can take my car. It's his word against mine, and even if I'm found innocent in court, my car's already been taken for a week, and I have the impound fines to pay.
If its obvious its obvious !
Unbelievable. Another freakin kid that thinks cops cant afford nice cars too. Is that what this is all about ? Cops jealous of your car ?
Cops have a problem with kids in nice cars? The Government is against you because of your car ?
I really though you were serious until you said , "Young teenager, nice car, jealous cop......"
You really believe a cop cant afford , or doesn't/hasn't ever owned, a nice car ? That adolescent holier than though attitude has been happening since at least the 50s. Cops dont like kids ! And especially dont like kids in nice cars ! LMAO !!!! Cops were kids too at one time LOL ! And so were machinist, and office workers, and bricklayers, and plumbers. We all just eventually grow up and understand.
Give it a few years. And if you really are as responsible as you believe you are, then come back and answer this thread with wide open adult eyes.
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................No one's arguing 100 in a 50 zone should be ok.
Is the reason why the law was passed. Because the excessive speed "And Racing" was becoming a regular past time on "ALL" the roads.
............................However rather than looking at the speeding and racing and stunt driving issue, it may be wiser to look at what is causing this? First off, speed limits on our roads are too low, people have been voting with their right foot for decades. ..........
The cause of the law is the attempt to deter "RACING"
That is why the law was passed. I felt that that is what this thread was addressing. Street racing was beginning to be a huge problem.
The speed limits on our roads have nothing to do with that !
Sure, many feel that our speed limits are too low as it is. But when you have those that use them as there own drag strips, they are not helping in the crusade to raise them !
Public roads are not made for people to be "RACING" each other. They are made for people to commute.
If you want to race someone then you go to a drag strip or race track. Sure they arent right down town or in your neighborhood. But they are here and are accessible for anyone that wants to "race/show off" there vehicle.
The progressive continuance of street racing is the reason for the 50 over law.
Like I said earlier. Dont blame the government. Blame the holier than though, do what I want where I want selfish irresponsible individuals that felt our public streets all theres to do what they will.
The facts in my first post may have been off a bit. I used those because they were the freshest in my mind. Im not about to attempt to dig up case after case of what was becoming a regular thing on our roads. But any one that lives here, has been paying attention to, and cares about whats been going on......will know that that is the reason as to why the law was passed.
It wasnt for the sole purpose of slowing down people on the highways.
It was to attempt to put an end to those that felt our streets were there own personal drag strips and race courses.
Its not a load of crap. Stupid inattentive people that are speeding create devastating accidents.
Bullshit. What about stupid ass people who jump on the highway, do 60km/h on the merging lane and cut out in front of a car doing 100 without speeding up?
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Im sure you would change your tune if your Mother, Brother, Sister, Father, Any one close to you for that matter; Got hit and killed by someone whom was excessively speeding. Would you and could you truly go through life believing that your Wife, Girlfriend, your infant child (that wasnt driving), "deserved" to be killed ? Do you truly believe that someone killed by another while ignoring the laws that are set for all off society is not responsible ? That the ones that are killed actually deserved it ??????
If Anything In This Thread Is Harsh.....That Is !!!!!
My girlfriend and sister KNOW they can't drive so they DON'T. If you can't fvcking drive, stay the fvck off the roads.
Yes, stupid people who do stupid things are going to get killed sometimes. So what? People die. You're not always going to be lucky and get away with it. If you want to be stupid and turn in front of 2 oncoming cars you're just trying to cheat death. Would YOU do that?
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You have a problem with others that dont want to obey traffic laws. IE: Obeying the right of way.
But if you want to disobey the traffic law about speeding then that should be ok
Basically everyone should be specifically looking out for you, because you are special and the laws shouldnt refer to you ?
Never said speeding was always "ok". My problem is people like you put the blame SOLELY on the people that were speeding.
Look, if the people who had the right of way weren't speeding, the accident may not have been as bad. Maybe a broken arm or something with no fatalities. However, if the people weren't so braindead to turn in front of oncoming traffic, the accident would not have happened in the first place.
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I was aware the father/husband was impaired. I didnt think he was as much over the limit as you state though. But I guess you got that from the media. I neglected to add that to my post because we are discussing the law introduced to prevent deaths due to negligent racers. The wife wasnt driving. But she is still dead. They were hit by a vehicle that was involved in racing on a public road.
Im guessing, (by the way you are going with this), if any one that was involved in the racing were killed, Then you would have been all over the driver of the other vehicle as being a fault ?
It appears you are are one of those that wants to pick and choose the laws that suit you ? Is that correct ? Screw the rest of society if it doesnt suit your own delusions of grandeurs ?
Only asking is all !
Remember. You said your self. There are a lot of stupid and inattentive people out there. So do you really think it would be right to abolish laws and raise limits for the likes of the few that believe they are so much better drivers than the rest ? Would it be a good idea to let allow the rest of the inattentive idiots operate vehicles in such a way when they aren't even capable of doing it safely now ?
LMFAO !!!!
If you knew the father was impaired why didn't you mention it? I guess you're just like everybody else. Let's hide the fault of the "innocent dad" so the speeders look worse. The wife wasn't driving, but she's still dead. Yes, that is true. She's also just as stupid. Would YOU let someone who's drunk get behind the wheel of a car? Would YOU get into the car with them? If so then I suspect you will stop posting here soon and we'll never hear from you again.
Again. I'm not saying it's solely the drunk driver's fault. They share the responsibility. You don't seem to understand that.
I have no problem with the speed limits. No, I don't support raising them. There are too many idiots out there who can't even manage going 100 on the highway.
I just think Bill 203 is absolute braindead stupid. It violates the whole "innocent before proven guilty."
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Im not going to get into the cop thing or the tax thing for that matter. Thats not what this thread is about. A least I didnt see it that way. The law was passed because of excessive racing on our streets. And since the law was passed that has decreased. This summer though......well.... time will tell.
I dont though, see why you have a problem with 100 in a 50 zone. Especially if you have a problem with 150 in a 100 zone ?
Is it because that much speed in a 50 zone could kill someone ?? Is it because the stupid and inattentive pedestrians dont deserve to be killed when they walk into the intersection to cross the road and get hit by a racer.
Which has also happened. Which is another reason as to why the law was passed.
The law was passed because of too many people dying due to the result of "racing" on public roads.
100 in a 50 is stupid because it's 2x the speed limit. 50 zones are usually in city limits where there are things to hit.
150 in a 100 can be completely justified. I used to drive between Waterloo and the GTA at night twice a week. On an empty highway there is absolutely no reason why I can't be going 150.
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If you want to be pissed off about it. Be pissed off at the irresponsible, self serving, inconsiderate individuals, that believe public roads are there to be used as there own personal play ground. Blame them. Dont blame the numerous greaving familys that have decided that enough is enough and dont want to see anyone else go through the same loss that they have.
I only had a few examples there. One of them the exact facts may have been off. But that doesnt change the reasoning behind why the law was passed. It was getting out of control and thats that.
You're right. Let's grieve with the families of the drunk drivers. Hey, isn't DUI a criminal offense? Yes, yes it is. What about speeding? Nope. Hmmm, doesn't that tell you anything? DUI is a much worse crime.
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But what about Deaths ? I didnt think I was talking about accidents per say. I thought I was talking about deaths. The main reason as to the passing of the law
The main reason this law was passed is because the media blew everything out of proportion and hid the facts about accidents. Now anyone who drives a fast/loud car is immediately a suspect.
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If its obvious its obvious !
Unbelievable. Another freakin kid that thinks cops cant afford nice cars too. Is that what this is all about ? Cops jealous of your car ?
Cops have a problem with kids in nice cars? The Government is against you because of your car ?
I really though you were serious until you said , "Young teenager, nice car, jealous cop......"
You really believe a cop cant afford , or doesn't/hasn't ever owned, a nice car ? That adolescent holier than though attitude has been happening since at least the 50s. Cops dont like kids ! And especially dont like kids in nice cars ! LMAO !!!! Cops were kids too at one time LOL ! And so were machinist, and office workers, and bricklayers, and plumbers. We all just eventually grow up and understand.
Give it a few years. And if you really are as responsible as you believe you are, then come back and answer this thread with wide open adult eyes.
Is the reason why the law was passed. Because the excessive speed "And Racing" was becoming a regular past time on "ALL" the roads.
Right. I'm sure all these 25-30 year old cops in my neighbourhood all drive nice cars and aren't jealous of me at all.
Jon, its my understanding that the people who were killed, were making a left turn on a green light, the gravel truck drove through a red light with his horn blaring, correct me if I am wrong here.
Was a big article on that whole thing.
Dump Truck drivers that had worked there.
Am sure some would comment that it was the media that reported it. But anyways.....
Anyways.....past drivers telling how they had too....how bad it really is.....standard procedure to be flooring with a full load and hit the horn if the light went yellow. If you dont risk the lives of others by disobeying traffic laws then you dont make as much and or loose your job.
I see know way how doing that and killing someone in the process can be blamed on too low of speed limits.
It comes down to one thing and one thing only. Reckless and careless disrespect for the rules of the road.
If he didnt drive that way he may not make as much money each day. At the extreme worst he may have lost his job.
But are any of those scenarios a good enough excuse to possibly kill another person. (And in his case......"WAS" it a good enough excuse) !
Traffic laws are there for us all for a reason. And not one of us have the right to pick and chose to obey only the ones that we feel relate to us, and ignore the rest.
This thread started about warning U.S resident of the new 50 over law.
A very good thing to do. Am sure many, if not close to all, were not aware of this new law.
A very good heads up.
After a few replies, I thought to explain as to why the law was passed.
It then turned into an argument about whether or not speed kills. Who is responsible for what accident. Etc......
Some arguing most everything that Ive said........Except.....
Except what my original post was attempting to state.
My attempt to explain why such an (extreme by somes standards) law was passed.
Werther or not the reason for the passing of the law is acceptable and justified by all......that is the reason as to why it was passed.
Doesnt appear to be any argument as to my explanation to the reason why.
But sure a hell of a lot of arguments as to what kind of deaths are acceptable for whichever traffic law is ignored.
