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    Re: May purchase a platinum next week: my concerns though

    First off you can't be seriously comparing Cadillac to a Rolls or Bentley. That is a completely different class of car.

    Secondly what you are overlooking that every manufacturer is downsizing their engines. Heck even Lamborghini has said tha the Aventador will be the last of its cars with a 12 cylinder. BMW is downsizing and going to turbo charged fours and sizes.

    There have even been rumors that the next Vette may have a forced induction V6. The technology is such that you can get what used to be V8 power out of smaller engines, but in reality I doubt the Vette will ever have anything other than a V8. Not for anything other than it would be sacriligous.

    Lexus doesn't even offer a V8 in the new GS.

    Yes, Cadillac had issues, but it was all of GM. Even the Northstar had it's issues when the miles piled on with overheating and blown headgaskets, but again I don't understand your point. The world and the market is changing. The era of 501 cu in V8s in your Eldorados are gone.

    I do believe that each manufacturer will still make a V8, but the volume seller will always be the smaller engines.

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    Re: May purchase a platinum next week: my concerns though

    Sadly, you probably happen to be right. It just seems the idea of a V-6 in a currently "top of line" Cadillac (I won't use the "F" word) would be just as sacrilegious as it is in a Corvette.

    I guess the worst part is the XTS could've been that "F" model, because it IS overall a pretty nice car. I just can't wrap my head around the V-6 being a long time Cadillac owner (and I doubt I'm the only one). A V-8 maybe a with a twin-turbo coupled to an eight-speed automatic could have made this a Lexus LS competitor, possibly even an Mercedes S-Class or BMW 7-Series competitor. But I know this was debated long before the XTS came out, and there were financial realities to deal with at GM. I guess it's a miracle this car came out at all.

    Indeed I do miss the days of when Cadillac's were the biggest with the most unmistakably large, powerful V-8 engines, like the 500 V-8 under those long Eldorado hoods. I still remember what a technological advancement EFI was on those engines, and they did it again with the technological advancement of another V-8: the Northstar. Sure the Northstar had it's troubles, but so too did EFI, and it didn't mean Cadillac abandoned the V-8 altogether. Was kind of funny how the old guy in the Caddy could blow away most vehicles on the road.

    In the end, you're right, times are changing. I just happen to think it's not for the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjm01
    Sadly, you probably happen to be right. It just seems the idea of a V-6 in a currently "top of line" Cadillac (I won't use the "F" word) would be just as sacrilegious as it is in a Corvette.

    I guess the worst part is the XTS could've been that "F" model, because it IS overall a pretty nice car. I just can't wrap my head around the V-6 being a long time Cadillac owner (and I doubt I'm the only one). A V-8 maybe a with a twin-turbo coupled to an eight-speed automatic could have made this a Lexus LS competitor, possibly even an Mercedes S-Class or BMW 7-Series competitor. But I know this was debated long before the XTS came out, and there were financial realities to deal with at GM. I guess it's a miracle this car came out at all.

    Indeed I do miss the days of when Cadillac's were the biggest with the most unmistakably large, powerful V-8 engines, like the 500 V-8 under those long Eldorado hoods. I still remember what a technological advancement EFI was on those engines, and they did it again with the technological advancement of another V-8: the Northstar. Sure the Northstar had it's troubles, but so too did EFI, and it didn't mean Cadillac abandoned the V-8 altogether. Was kind of funny how the old guy in the Caddy could blow away most vehicles on the road.

    In the end, you're right, times are changing. I just happen to think it's not for the better.

    Joe
    Jim how can you say " things are changing but not fur the better"? For the first time since Cadillacs hay days they are in the same league as the best from Germany and Japan. Today, now Cadillac is better then ever , period.

    I own that 2005 STS with a V8 that you mention.
    I also test drove the XTS twice and will tell you that the V6 in the XTS felt more peppy, smoother
    and quiter then my STS. I was very critical of the XTS when it first came out. However , that all changed once I drove one. It is a world class car that in many ways better then the 5 Series and Eclass MB.

    The "anti GM" club that looms out there is finally going to be silenced. With what's in the line up today and what is yet to come , Cadillac is making the most exciting cars in the world today.

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    I just think the thought you absolutely have to have a V8 for luxury these days is misguided. If it works well and gets good mpg, all the better...

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    So true.

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    Re: May purchase a platinum next week: my concerns though

    Quote Originally Posted by docjay View Post
    I am going from a Mercedes with a V8 engine with close to 500hp to this, so it's a drastic change..
    WTF!!!


    and I thought I made a drastic change going from a BMW 7 series with sport package to an STS V8 AWD

    I dont like the STS nearly as well but it was WAY less expensive at a time when I needed to save some $$...and mine was a purchase and not a lease

    the STS was worth hat I paid....but doesnt have the driver capability or space of the BMW I traded...nor should it for the price difference


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    Quote Originally Posted by turnne

    WTF!!!

    and I thought I made a drastic change going from a BMW 7 series with sport package to an STS V8 AWD

    I dont like the STS nearly as well but it was WAY less expensive at a time when I needed to save some $$...and mine was a purchase and not a lease

    the STS was worth hat I paid....but doesnt have the driver capability or space of the BMW I traded...nor should it for the price difference

    Warren
    But hopefully the new "flagship" will be a top tier Cadillac that exceeds all qualities of the 7 Series and S Class. No more excuses or compromise , Cadillac should own this space. Based on everything I am reading the GM check book is wide open to make this a reality.

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    Re: May purchase a platinum next week: my concerns though

    Quote Originally Posted by turnne View Post
    WTF!!!


    and I thought I made a drastic change going from a BMW 7 series with sport package to an STS V8 AWD

    I dont like the STS nearly as well but it was WAY less expensive at a time when I needed to save some $$...and mine was a purchase and not a lease

    the STS was worth hat I paid....but doesnt have the driver capability or space of the BMW I traded...nor should it for the price difference


    Warren
    Yep, drastic for sure but I'm considering keeping the v8 as a second car. I've got a little one on the way and I can't have that two seater as my primary car. Anyway, going to work out numbers and hopefully find something good. I sat in a platinum today for the first time and fell in love with that interior. Wow.

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    Re: May purchase a platinum next week: my concerns though

    docjay, are you a doc? I'm a med student and I drive a DTS. I never once thought it was an old man car. To my surprise I get only compliments from my peers, and medical professionals tend to be very thirsty for foreign car kool aid. My girlfriend loves the car too! I don't think the XTS looks elderly at all; in fact it shows that you have an appreciation for true luxury and sophistication. Personally, I'm holding out for the V8 flagship (not that I'm buying a new car anytime soon anyway), but if you like the XTS, go for it!

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    Re: May purchase a platinum next week: my concerns though

    Quote Originally Posted by Lev Blekher View Post
    docjay, are you a doc? I'm a med student and I drive a DTS. I never once thought it was an old man car. To my surprise I get only compliments from my peers, and medical professionals tend to be very thirsty for foreign car kool aid. My girlfriend loves the car too! I don't think the XTS looks elderly at all; in fact it shows that you have an appreciation for true luxury and sophistication. Personally, I'm holding out for the V8 flagship (not that I'm buying a new car anytime soon anyway), but if you like the XTS, go for it!
    Yes I am. If you're a med student, you won't be getting that new car anytime soon for sure, unfortunately Do you think the V8 flagship is going to be a bigger sedan, S-class/7-series size? I may end up getting my XTS this weekend. Working on finalizing some nice numbers.

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    Re: May purchase a platinum next week: my concerns though

    Hey docjay, from what I have read it seems as if the new flagship sedan will be an S-Class/7 series competitor. If I remember correctly (and correct me if I am wrong), but the Omega platform is going to be used for the larger RWD flagship sedan. Sounds like it will be an interesting car and I am looking forward to seeing how it turns out. Most people say that the XTS is a "stop-gap" and it may be, however I don't believe that this designation should detract anyone from the car. If you believe the car looks great (inside and out), drives at a level you deem acceptable or better, and fulfills any other requirements you have then there is no reason to shy away from the car (even if there is a stigma). I have been going around and trying to get some price quotes. I will be purchasing, and so far I have received a quote of $53,912 for a base premium XTS AWD, and $56,252 for a premium XTS AWD with sunroof, spare tire, rear power & manual shades. Of course you have to add tax, title, and trade-in to those amounts, but I think those are fair prices to start out. I am still shopping around and will see what other dealer incentives I can get added to sweeten the deal. Also, the Audi A6 keeps drawing me back for some reason, so I am still debating between the two vehicles. I just keep hearing about the cost to own a German car after the warranty period expires. How has the maintenance been on your Mercedes (I was looking at an E350 sedan, but I am not so sure about it anymore)? Don't forget to post some pictures if you do end up purchasing the XTS. Good luck shopping this weekend!

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    Re: May purchase a platinum next week: my concerns though

    I'm not too crazy about the 20" wheels that come with the Platinum package and I asked the dealer if they'd swap them out for the 20" optional wheels on the Premium. Unfortunately, they can't swap out what's listed on the sticker. Kind of stuck here since I'm leasing and don't want to get aftermarket wheels or swap them out privately since I'll need to return the car with stock wheels

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    Re: May purchase a platinum next week: my concerns though

    I agree, with the comment about the wheels. I did not like the chrome inserts in the wheels. They seemed out of place to me. In addition, I am not a fan of the grill on the Platinum. I personally like the grill on all of the other models. Although, I may go aftermarket with a grill. I have found some nice ones while just doing some random internet searches.

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    Re: May purchase a platinum next week: my concerns though

    I wish I saw more young people with Cadillacs. I wouldn't mind getting the XTS too. A 25 year old isn't going to look old in a Cadillac. I am just worried that, at over 40, I will look 60.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ormond
    I wish I saw more young people with Cadillacs. I wouldn't mind getting the XTS too. A 25 year old isn't going to look old in a Cadillac. I am just worried that, at over 40, I will look 60.
    Come on dude you can't be serious. Cadillacs are the hottest "young " car on the market. My
    17 year old drives my STS and says all her friends want a Caddy. So go treat yourself to one and you'll feel 17 all over again !

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