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    Re: Twin Turbo 3.0 Likely Coming To Cadillac XTS

    I think there's another 6-8 months before market.

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    Re: Twin Turbo 3.0 Likely Coming To Cadillac XTS

    Quote Originally Posted by rjm View Post
    If Cadillac were actually listening to us, the auto brake release, power trunk-pull down, gas cap release, and rainsensor (just to name a few deleted features) would've reappeared as fast as they disappeared.
    By all signs, GM has no interest in traditional Cadillac buyers. Styling, powertrain, options; they seem content for us to take our business elsewhere. We shall see.

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    Re: Twin Turbo 3.0 Likely Coming To Cadillac XTS

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    By all signs, GM has no interest in traditional Cadillac buyers. Styling, powertrain, options; they seem content for us to take our business elsewhere. We shall see.
    They don't and they freely admit it. Apparently they've forgotten marketing 101--to grow your business you must keep your current customers while bringing in new ones, but Cadillac has decided to completely ignore that and throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    The problem is that they see how many 3s BMW sells and want to chase that market--volume. But Cadillac was never intended as a "volume" manufacturer. Cadillac built the best cars possible, cost be damned. Cadillac didn't become "The Standard of the World" and "The Car of Cars" by building small cars powered by weak 4 or 6 cylinder engines. The failure of the 1st generation SRX, the last STS, and the declining sales of the current CTS should be teaching Cadillac that if people want a BMW, they'll buy a BMW. I predict the ATS will be a complete failure as well. And thats why we have the "Lacrosse in a Tuxedo" XTS...Cadillac is so busy putting all its eggs in the ATS will slaughter the 3 series basket, that they're neglecting what they should really be focusing on...building Cadillacs.

    The ATS, and XTS aren't Cadillacs....

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    Re: Twin Turbo 3.0 Likely Coming To Cadillac XTS

    I know what you're saying but:

    1. There's no way on Earth that Cadillac can build the standard of the world anymore - or have the kind of technology and options that other makes do not have. It's almost 2012. Times have changed. Unless GM has an alien space craft and can backwards engineer some form of technology not in the hands of other governments, nothing like that is ever going to happen again. Even Hyundai and Kia are capable of producing cars with the technologies found in top vehicles from brands like Mercedes.

    2. If Cadillac doesn't compete in important segments like that of the 3-Series, they're going to be POOR compared to companies that do. It would not be possible to build competitive vehicles without the kind of revenue generated from cars like the upcoming ATS - or current CTS.

    Cadillac isn't completely abandoning their traditional customers. That's what the XTS is for. The Ciel will also be a car worthy of traditional customers as well as conquest customers from other brands. These days entry-level cars like the CTS and ATS are imperative to the existence of an automobile company...

    Quote Originally Posted by rjm View Post
    They don't and they freely admit it. Apparently they've forgotten marketing 101--to grow your business you must keep your current customers while bringing in new ones, but Cadillac has decided to completely ignore that and throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    The problem is that they see how many 3s BMW sells and want to chase that market--volume. But Cadillac was never intended as a "volume" manufacturer. Cadillac built the best cars possible, cost be damned. Cadillac didn't become "The Standard of the World" and "The Car of Cars" by building small cars powered by weak 4 or 6 cylinder engines. The failure of the 1st generation SRX, the last STS, and the declining sales of the current CTS should be teaching Cadillac that if people want a BMW, they'll buy a BMW. I predict the ATS will be a complete failure as well. And thats why we have the "Lacrosse in a Tuxedo" XTS...Cadillac is so busy putting all its eggs in the ATS will slaughter the 3 series basket, that they're neglecting what they should really be focusing on...building Cadillacs.

    The ATS, and XTS aren't Cadillacs....
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    Re: Twin Turbo 3.0 Likely Coming To Cadillac XTS

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Cadillac View Post
    1. There's no way on Earth that Cadillac can build the standard of the world anymore
    They can build a standard of the world car (in my book anyway) by building another car like the first gen CTS. All the driving dynamics, but without all the needless techno-crap, at a price that blows everyone else away. But, they don't seem interested in doing that.

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    Re: Twin Turbo 3.0 Likely Coming To Cadillac XTS

    ANY premium brand car without many of the creature comforts readily available to even bargain companies will fail. Not nearly enough demand...

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    Re: Twin Turbo 3.0 Likely Coming To Cadillac XTS

    Not only that, but of that "needless techno-crap" is a MASSIVE profit generator. It costs little to manufacture and put in the vehicle, but really drives the price up.
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    Re: Twin Turbo 3.0 Likely Coming To Cadillac XTS

    Techno and bling sells, yo!

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    Re: Twin Turbo 3.0 Likely Coming To Cadillac XTS

    Ford's implementation of technology with their current iteration of Mytouch is a good idea, implemented very poorly.

    It's not a luxury if it doesn't make your life easier.

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    Re: Twin Turbo 3.0 Likely Coming To Cadillac XTS

    luxury isn't supposed to make your life easier. it's supposed to make you look important.

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    Re: Twin Turbo 3.0 Likely Coming To Cadillac XTS

    I think it's both.

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    Re: Twin Turbo 3.0 Likely Coming To Cadillac XTS

    I think it's both.

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    Re: Twin Turbo 3.0 Likely Coming To Cadillac XTS

    I think it's both. I think it's both?

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    Re: Twin Turbo 3.0 Likely Coming To Cadillac XTS

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