Why are they NOT SELLING???????

[lunarx]

Interesting info.

[Quick65]

Originally Posted by lunarx

Interesting info.

Wow!! looks like you got a hot ride...I imagine you have had it on the strip for a 1/4 mile ET; what does it turn? I imagine that is not a daily driver. What is it like on street? I thought my caddy was mean with 407 to wheels.

[lunarx]

Originally Posted by Quick65

Wow!! looks like you got a hot ride...I imagine you have had it on the strip for a 1/4 mile ET; what does it turn? I imagine that is not a daily driver. What is it like on street? I thought my caddy was mean with 407 to wheels.

Quick65, Yes the car rips.
To date I have not tracked it.
Someday perhaps.

I don't daily drive it, but easily could.
The car is a dream to drive on the street.
The clutch pedal is light and slips easily at take-off.
The engine (cam) is very mild mannered (with a light Rt foot) and torque is plentifull everywhere in the powerband.
It runs perfectly on 91 octane to boot.

Naturally the response to the Rt foot is more lively.
Once you step-on-it, all hell breaks loose.

BTW - 407RWHP is mean.
What caddy?
I just hit that at 4250RPM

[Quick65]

Originally Posted by lunarx

Quick65, BTW - 407RWHP is mean.
What caddy?
I just hit that at 4250RPM

Thanks for the overview. I don't think I could resist the track with that bad boy of yours! It’s amazing how today’s cars can deliver awesome power and still be street able.

My daily driver is a 2007 XLRV with stage 1&2 D3 intake. The 407 is max RWH at about 6500 rpm. The torque is also impressive at 390 foot lbs delivered early at just 3500RPMs. Factoring back loss in 6speed auto it is estimated to be over 500HP at crank. Yes it is grandpa’s caddy

[lunarx]

Quick65, XLR-V is a sweet ride.
I always liked them and am still considering getting one.
500HP (like yours) and a Corvette 6 Speed Manual, would make it perfect in my book.

Have you ever had a chance to stomp on a C5 or C6?

[Quick65]

Originally Posted by lunarx

Quick65, XLR-V is a sweet ride.
I always liked them and am still considering getting one.
500HP (like yours) and a Corvette 6 Speed Manual, would make it perfect in my book.

Have you ever had a chance to stomp on a C5 or C6?

Not on the street but on paper the V would hurt a c6.
My last qtr mile time was 12.5 the stock xlrv is 12.7 the c6 is 12.8 I believe I can get a 12.4. but can't touch zo6 12.0 qtr is FAST. The V like me is over weight compared to z06. The retractable hard top on V is heavy.

[lunarx]

Sounds like the stock XLR-V really is under rated.

[G.A.R.Y.]

Originally Posted by lunarx

I'm sure it's been asked (but I'm new here).

How come the XLR-V is only 443HP when the STS-V is 469HP?

Smaller engine compartment, less air.

[G.A.R.Y.]

Originally Posted by Quick65

Not on the street but on paper the V would hurt a c6.
My last qtr mile time was 12.5 the stock xlrv is 12.7 the c6 is 12.8 I believe I can get a 12.4. but can't touch zo6 12.0 qtr is FAST. The V like me is over weight compared to z06. The retractable hard top on V is heavy.

For 40k less I can stand the extra 1/10th of a second slower in the 1/4 mile. and for 20k less the Z06 will eat it. but it is supposed to. The soon to be ZR1 for about the same price as a xlr-v will eat the Z06. Having said that the xlr-v is one good looking car and plenty fast, but IMHO should not be so high priced.

[lunarx]

Yes, the XLR-V is way out of line on price.
Clearly GM did not expect their target customers to be able to handle any more power than that.

Nevertheless, the ZR1 will make the XLR seem cheap.
I expect ZR1's will be selling in the range of the Ford GT.
Greedy bastard dealers.

[Quick65]

I am not so sure if GM worries about their target market 'handling more power’. It looks like they will (till mileage requirements stop the HP race) continue their current strategy of making a ‘super vet (z06 now or ZR1 2009) that is faster than the XLRV while the XLRV will trump the standard Vet. The 2009 XLRV is rumored to be loaded with 600 Crank HP as well as being lighter. It will also be sub 4 sec 0-60. I have driven the Z06 and the XLRV. The V has a much different ride (softer) and would not stack up against the C6 or z06 on the track but if you want to take a nice Sunday drive and don’t want to see your self coming (same car) every few blocks the XLRV is the one. With the kind of power the C06, Z06, XLRV, and Viper have a short stoplight run will only reflect the driver’s skill (reflex and how good they hook up). When going heads (stop light drag long 1/4 mile) you could easily see .5 sec difference in reaction time. That would/could cause the slowest to cross the line first. These are all rockets.

[vixapphire]

i think GM looked at Jaguar's XK/XKR's as the comparison to the XLR, and the HP numbers are in line with that; perhaps they didn't want to look much farther than to knock off Ford's exotic as a first step to see whether it'd be worth committing further resources to developing this model (and then going after the Germans), who knows?

Interestingly, a few years ago I owned a Jag S-Type R, which was gorgeous to look at, engaging to drive but pretty much mechanically a barrel of shite. One of the big 3 car magazines did a review comparo of the STR, and what'd they put it up against? the CTS-V, of course. Seems many in Detroit have a conception of those two brands as "together", perhaps sharing the "low end" of the luxury/high-end production (nonexotic) car market or something?

In any case, I'd expect that if they were more confident going in that they'd be taken seriously by MBZ buyers from jumpstreet, they might have put more horses under the hood if possible. If the next generation XLR-V comes with beefed up power, I'd look for much more aggressive marketing to go with it, defining the competition as the German roadsters and giving them a run for the money. My impression of the first-generation XLR-V is that it has been a (successful) learning experiment/test run.

In any event, I love the XLR-V and would love to own a black/black '07 or newer (assuming they solved the "hot drivetrain tunnel" problem the '06's had). For now, until I find something at a price point I can live with secondhand, I'm quite happy in my '02 SL 500 "silver arrow" edition; it's all that and still plays cassettes as well as CD's in the stereo...

[G.A.R.Y.]

Originally Posted by lunarx

Yes, the XLR-V is way out of line on price.
Clearly GM did not expect their target customers to be able to handle any more power than that.

Nevertheless, the ZR1 will make the XLR seem cheap.
I expect ZR1's will be selling in the range of the Ford GT.
Greedy bastard dealers.

I heard 100k range but maybe that's just wishful thinking?