Why are they NOT SELLING???????

[Playdrv4me]

Originally Posted by Dubbed Stealth

How do you figure? Its people perseption like this, that hold Cadillac back.

All of our XLR-V's are pre-sold! 7 of them to be exact we could sell everyone we get today!

Well, I guess everything sells when no one else has it. Unfortunately, without proper advertising, the shiny new penny appeal of a Cadillac lasts all of 3 months. New ones are selling in the 70s now and preowneds as low as 60-65. I give credit to GM for putting the price artificially high at 100k and not being afraid to compete, but it will be a while before they can consistently sell a car for that much. In fact, I dont doubt that they anticipated the first few suckers would bite at 100k+ and then later on the discounting would begin. The average transaction price over the life of the XLR-V will still work out in their favor.

Perhaps a more sinister blow to the XLR-V no one really talks about...has been the fact that when you take all factors into account, there is another car that has nearly as much/if not MORE sex appeal, is faster, more reliable (bulletproof OHV muscle V8 versus a Northstar), built on the same chassis and heres the worst part... 30000.00 Cheaper MSRP. I dont care WHAT the difference in target market for the XLR-V and Z06 is, when you look at the differences on paper... the Z wins in numbers alone. You can throw luxury excuses at me all day, but the truth is the Z is no Aveo inside either, and even has some unique features as well as EXOTIC build materials only available on the Z. I am *sure* that these very same thoughts cross nearly every V buyers mind when they are staring at a 100000.00 pricetag. Then you add in the fact that the Z has been rockstar ever since it came on the scene... and the XLR doesnt have much left going for it but a cushy ride. That would also tend to explain why prices for the V settled in the 70k range, as this puts it in direct price competition with the Z...

[z06bigbird]

Originally Posted by Playdrv4me

Well, I guess everything sells when no one else has it. Unfortunately, without proper advertising, the shiny new penny appeal of a Cadillac lasts all of 3 months. New ones are selling in the 70s now and preowneds as low as 60-65. I give credit to GM for putting the price artificially high at 100k and not being afraid to compete, but it will be a while before they can consistently sell a car for that much. In fact, I dont doubt that they anticipated the first few suckers would bite at 100k+ and then later on the discounting would begin. The average transaction price over the life of the XLR-V will still work out in their favor.

Perhaps a more sinister blow to the XLR-V no one really talks about...has been the fact that when you take all factors into account, there is another car that has nearly as much/if not MORE sex appeal, is faster, more reliable (bulletproof OHV muscle V8 versus a Northstar), built on the same chassis and heres the worst part... 30000.00 Cheaper MSRP. I dont care WHAT the difference in target market for the XLR-V and Z06 is, when you look at the differences on paper... the Z wins in numbers alone. You can throw luxury excuses at me all day, but the truth is the Z is no Aveo inside either, and even has some unique features as well as EXOTIC build materials only available on the Z. I am *sure* that these very same thoughts cross nearly every V buyers mind when they are staring at a 100000.00 pricetag. Then you add in the fact that the Z has been rockstar ever since it came on the scene... and the XLR doesnt have much left going for it but a cushy ride. That would also tend to explain why prices for the V settled in the 70k range, as this puts it in direct price competition with the Z...

I have written several posts on this topic. You were, however, better able to explain it than I was. I keep scratching my head asking why I would jump at a V when I could get a better price, better depreciation, a car with a racing history, a car with tons of input from GM and the users, etc.

Now, I do like the looks of the V, but looks are fleeting. As much as many here will dislike what I am saying, I believe that if I were going to drop $70k, I would go with the Vette.

I will also wait a few years and buy a cherry 5 year old V with no miles on it. It is an attractive car.

[Playdrv4me]

Originally Posted by z06bigbird

I have written several posts on this topic. You were, however, better able to explain it than I was. I keep scratching my head asking why I would jump at a V when I could get a better price, better depreciation, a car with a racing history, a car with tons of input from GM and the users, etc.

Now, I do like the looks of the V, but looks are fleeting. As much as many here will dislike what I am saying, I believe that if I were going to drop $70k, I would go with the Vette.

I will also wait a few years and buy a cherry 5 year old V with no miles on it. It is an attractive car.

I could not agree more.

[Jesda]

Well, since someone brought up Infiniti...

The quality has declined in recent years, with G35s suffering from electrical issues and Q45s and M45s requiring new engines before 75k. My 1990 Q45, if you comb through the mountains of records, was a lemon from day one, but a joy to drive. I feel sorry for the last two owners. Quality peaked for Infiniti right at the turn of the century (ranked #2 for IQ and dependability, #1 for customer satisfaction), though at the time their product offerings were barely competitive with Mercury, much less BMW and Lexus.

[G.A.R.Y.]

Why are they not selling..........price?

Braman cadillac in Miami has an ad for new still in stock "06 xlr-v-

15k off the top plus 0% financing. If that doesn't pick up sales then they should get more in line with vette pricing, which is probably where the price should have been already, about the same as z-06. Just IMO.

[Lord Cadillac]

I agree with Gary. They're too expensive.. I don't think the exclusivity is paying off at all.. Lower the price so more people can buy them. I see an XLR once every few months. I don't think it would hurt XLR owners feelings if they saw another XLR driving around.

[G.A.R.Y.]

Originally Posted by Playdrv4me

Well, I guess everything sells when no one else has it. Unfortunately, without proper advertising, the shiny new penny appeal of a Cadillac lasts all of 3 months. New ones are selling in the 70s now and preowneds as low as 60-65. I give credit to GM for putting the price artificially high at 100k and not being afraid to compete, but it will be a while before they can consistently sell a car for that much. In fact, I dont doubt that they anticipated the first few suckers would bite at 100k+ and then later on the discounting would begin. The average transaction price over the life of the XLR-V will still work out in their favor.

Perhaps a more sinister blow to the XLR-V no one really talks about...has been the fact that when you take all factors into account, there is another car that has nearly as much/if not MORE sex appeal, is faster, more reliable (bulletproof OHV muscle V8 versus a Northstar), built on the same chassis and heres the worst part... 30000.00 Cheaper MSRP. I dont care WHAT the difference in target market for the XLR-V and Z06 is, when you look at the differences on paper... the Z wins in numbers alone. You can throw luxury excuses at me all day, but the truth is the Z is no Aveo inside either, and even has some unique features as well as EXOTIC build materials only available on the Z. I am *sure* that these very same thoughts cross nearly every V buyers mind when they are staring at a 100000.00 pricetag. Then you add in the fact that the Z has been rockstar ever since it came on the scene... and the XLR doesnt have much left going for it but a cushy ride. That would also tend to explain why prices for the V settled in the 70k range, as this puts it in direct price competition with the Z...

Well put. Even one better, buy a c06 (non z) and for about 6k you can turbo charge to around 600 hp.

[Adam]

I wish I had an XLR-V...

[MrEr1c]

I was visiting my local Caddy/GM dealership the other day and the salesman said that they sell all of their xlr-v's very quickly. And they happen to be the top selling corvette dealership in the sector.

[Superior Cadillac]

I sell a lot of XLR and V series. I discount them and take care of my customers after the sale. Thats a big part..

Lots of people can deal loacally if there is a problem and you can not get it resolved. I can mae a few calls. This is a perk on doing business with me.

[galen]

I just bought my XLR and love it. I really don't care if I see another one. I don't care what other people think. I bought it for its looks. I looked at the Z06 and other cars but kept coming back to the XLR. I was not impressed with Lexus for the lack of luxury inside the car. I still have an 89 Eldo in my barn for its classic looks. I just can't bring myself to sell it. That is probably what will happen with this XLR. I have always bought ! for beauty, 2 joy to drive 3 price.

[Playdrv4me]

Originally Posted by galen

I just bought my XLR and love it. I really don't care if I see another one. I don't care what other people think. I bought it for its looks. I looked at the Z06 and other cars but kept coming back to the XLR. I was not impressed with Lexus for the lack of luxury inside the car. I still have an 89 Eldo in my barn for its classic looks. I just can't bring myself to sell it. That is probably what will happen with this XLR. I have always bought ! for beauty, 2 joy to drive 3 price.

If I recall, you bought a regular XLR. Regular 04 XLR's can be had for 36k with good miles. At those prices Id buy an XLR for beauty's sake too! When it comes to the 30 THOUSAND dollar price differential between the MSRP's of the Z06 (which sell for MSRP btw), and the XLR-V, the argument for that premium gets alot harder to defend.

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

Isn't there a Federal law that auto makers can only sell a certain ratio of high performance (gas guzzler) cars to econo boxes. If they sell a ton of the V series / Z06 cars, GM has to discount GEO's just to move a ton of econo boxes to off set the ratio so they don't get slammed with a levy. I think this is what Dodge ran into in the early years of the Viper. I don't think you will ever see mass advertising for the V series cars or high sales numbres. These cars are made for a niche community in low numbers, so lets keep it that way. Hell, a Buick Regal Grand National GNX is going for more money now than it sold for new 20 years ago. A well kept secret will pay off in the long run..........

[Jetboyphx]

Originally Posted by LITTLEELVISDAN

Isn't there a Federal law that auto makers can only sell a certain ratio of high performance (gas guzzler) cars to econo boxes. If they sell a ton of the V series / Z06 cars, GM has to discount GEO's just to move a ton of econo boxes to off set the ratio so they don't get slammed with a levy. I think this is what Dodge ran into in the early years of the Viper. I don't think you will ever see mass advertising for the V series cars or high sales numbres. These cars are made for a niche community in low numbers, so lets keep it that way. Hell, a Buick Regal Grand National GNX is going for more money now than it sold for new 20 years ago. A well kept secret will pay off in the long run..........

The full size SUV's hurt more than a V series or Z06. With the margins on these, GM would happily pump out a few more 4 banger Cobalts to Hertz below cost to make up the average. GM still has some stigma to work thorugh at the 6 figure range but the V-Series cars and the new CTS are doing a lot to hlep the image.

[ncCADDYman]

we've had a couple black xlr's and one blue xlr-v here at arnold palmer cadillac for a couple weeks. they get plenty of inquiries and looks, but people still seem to be unsettled about spending $70+ for an american car