STS vs M5

[beemer2k]

Haven't had it to the track yet. Maybe when the weather breaks in the spring before it gets too warm. Is the Bonne gonna get a 4.6 or the 4.0 they put in the Riviera?

[Dubya]

the riviera had a 3.8, most were supercharged, some wern't

aurora had the 4.0

the bonneville se, sle will keep the 3.8
bonneville GXP will get the 275hp 4.6 (sls motor) but......with the 3.71 gearing (STS gearing) probably the best combo, i think they ship this year too

[GERMEEZY1]

Don't Feel Bad The M5 Has 400 Horses However If You Really Didn't Like The Fact He Walked All Over You Salvation Is Coming. Take 1 Cadillac Cts-v Series Add Equal Parts Turbos Or Superchargers Stir And You Have A Tonic No Bmw Can Live With! But Even If Not The V Series Cts Will Be Faster Than A M5 Even Stock. And To Whoever Thinks 540i's Are Faster They Are Only Faster If They Have A Stick In Auto They Are Almost Dead Even Less Hp More Torque

[Blackout]

Originally Posted by GERMEEZY1

Don't Feel Bad The M5 Has 400 Horses However If You Really Didn't Like The Fact He Walked All Over You Salvation Is Coming. Take 1 Cadillac Cts-v Series Add Equal Parts Turbos Or Superchargers

What do you men by add equal parts turbos or s/c's? The M5 is N/A so wtf you talking about?

[Ultra Slow]

The M5 is fast, but the new Mercedes make it look pretty slow now. You get the CL/SL/S 55 AMG, then you have a high 12 car, and 115MPH..... You get the CL/SL/S 600, you get the twin turbo 12 cyl, you have a mid 12 car at 118MPH, and a screemer part the short 1320 ft race. If that aint enough, there will be a CL/SL/S 65 AMG..... This will be 580HP and 700FT LBS. It will run high 11's and hit 200MPH...... This is the car to have if you want a fast sedan..... Aint no Vseries whatever going to keep up with this, and neither does the Viper. Also, they will have a Renntech upgrade for all these cars... The latter is supposed to be over 800HP with just an ECU upgrade.... These guys have killed everyone....

[Vesicant]

You know what i think the problem is with any front wheel drive car? Its the powertrain design.. its soo in-effecient compared to rear wheel drive cars. Yes BMW is planning for a V10 in its (correction!) M6 series. But reguardless, cadillacs decision to make a front wheel drive V8 was terrible! You've probably seen rice rockets that have so much technology into them, that bolster about 300+ hp if your lucky.. but the way it gets transmitted to the ground makes it molasses slow! Having a V8 coupled to a front wheel drive system is even worse, because not only do you have butt loads of power but lots of tourqe makes the tyres do even more work then they already are trying to steer and support the car.

And for Cadillacs sake, the cars just too heavy and elegant to compete with a BMW M5 in the first place! Want to race an M5? Dont do it in a STS or Deville, but a CTS-V... the only car truely made to compete with the German rocket.

Nice try though, sounds like it was a good fight till the M5 beat you in aerodynamics, horsepower, power transmission, weight and top end (lol) bouncer: .

[Ultra Slow]

Front wheel drive is AWFUL, but it actually does one positive thing for the case here. Being that the STS is 300HP, more of that power actually gets to the ground VS a RWD car. If you compare a 300HP corvette of 1995 and a 300HP STS of 1995 on a dyno, the average STS will be about 15% higher in a case by case deal. For racing, this is good as it actually gives the STS the advantage over the LT1 automatic corvette in many cases, even though the car is 800-900LBS heavier. But on the same note, I would MUCH rather have a RWD STS, but in order to run like it does now, it needs to be about 330HP..... Funny how that is just the magic number the XLR is getting.

As far as the M5, that is a strong motor with a 6 speed, but the car has no weight advantage over the STS, it just has a ton more power. The M5 is a heavy car. BMWs just keep getting bigger. I find it funny that the new "3" series is actually heavier and bulkier than my daily driver BMW... 1986 735.... Cars are getting large again!

Originally Posted by JefferyG

You know what i think the problem is with any front wheel drive car? Its the powertrain design.. its soo in-effecient compared to rear wheel drive cars. Yes BMW is planning for a V10 in its (correction!) M6 series. But reguardless, cadillacs decision to make a front wheel drive V8 was terrible! You've probably seen rice rockets that have so much technology into them, that bolster about 300+ hp if your lucky.. but the way it gets transmitted to the ground makes it molasses slow! Having a V8 coupled to a front wheel drive system is even worse, because not only do you have butt loads of power but lots of tourqe makes the tyres do even more work then they already are trying to steer and support the car.

And for Cadillacs sake, the cars just too heavy and elegant to compete with a BMW M5 in the first place! Want to race an M5? Dont do it in a STS or Deville, but a CTS-V... the only car truely made to compete with the German rocket.

Nice try though, sounds like it was a good fight till the M5 beat you in aerodynamics, horsepower, power transmission, weight and top end (lol) bouncer: .

[Dubya]

a sts gets 15% more power down???......NO. the 4t80e is proven to have about 23-24% drivetrain loss, which is huge even for a fwd transmission. so your saying a corvette's trans has about 38-39% loss???? i don't know anything about corvette transmissions but id guess high teens, no way are they even close to the 30's. the 4t65ehd (L67's transmission) is in the range of 18-20% for comparison, the northstars suck for getting there power to the road. sure they make 300hp, but they only put down 225/230 tops.

only advantage for racing is the engine is on top of the driving wheels, easier to launch on the same tires, but a vette can have some huge meat back there, not so much for a cadillac.

don't mean to be a jerk, but where are you getting this info from? XLR is a low 14 second car too, more power---faster, not needs more power to be equal. maybe the same place that told you a impalla ss has 300hp?

[GERMEEZY1]

Originally Posted by Blackout

What do you men by add equal parts turbos or s/c's? The M5 is N/A so wtf you talking about?

I mean if you want a car that will be one of the fastest cars on the planet get a cts-v and start modifying the easiest choice would be turbo's in which case you would be looking at 550-700 hp and at 3800 lbs (less than the current M5) it would not even be close!

[Blackout]

Originally Posted by GERMEEZY1

I mean if you want a car that will be one of the fastest cars on the planet get a cts-v