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Cadillac V-Sport General Discussion Discussion, I see what you did there, Cadillac in Cadillac CTS V-Sport; Originally Posted by Burnrub I know most OEMs use fake leather, but it's usually put in places where it isn't ...
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    Re: I see what you did there, Cadillac

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    I know most OEMs use fake leather, but it's usually put in places where it isn't that noticeable...the seat pocket is pretty obvious.

    And what do you mean people don't buy Vsports for the details? Cadillac by its very definition is a luxury vehicle and luxury items are defined by attention to detail. I think Cadillac would tell you they are focusing on the details more now than ever
    luxury is not defined by attention to detail sometimes it's exclusivity, sometimes it's ease, sometimes it's freedom, and sometimes it's comfort...here are some examples that counter what you said

    the chips in Casio and timex watches are far more sophisticated than anything Rolex puts together and the engineering behind them is such that they are far more accurate too, so if one paid attention to the detail of more accurate time keeping and more sophisticated modern engineering vs old world craftsmanship one could come to the incorrect conclusion that timex and Casio are more luxurious

    before fiat became the controlling owner of ferrari they were really crappy cars, they shifted horribly, so bad in fact it took lots of practice to get used to the shift gate, their steering wheels were too big and tilted too high that they were like driving a bus steering wheel, the pedals were also slanted toward the center of the car so you sat a little sideways.....as bad as these ergonomic faux pas were we all know it's a privilege to get to play with or own one, and that privilege is a luxury

    it's a privilege to be able to turn down an amazing college for a better one or to say no to a great job offer for a better one...these are privileges of excess and excess is luxurious

    and bringing it back to the details as they pertain to Cadillac it's a luxury not to have to worry and Cadillac, BMW and others using the right materials in the right places after much more engineering and study and experience building cars than any of us have was brought to bear in making those decisions ....those decisions helps to mitigate those worries about wear and tear.....being able to relax about those things feels pretty luxurious to me

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    Re: I see what you did there, Cadillac

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    luxury is not defined by attention to detail sometimes it's exclusivity, sometimes it's ease, sometimes it's freedom, and sometimes it's comfort...here are some examples that counter what you said

    the chips in Casio and timex watches are far more sophisticated than anything Rolex puts together and the engineering behind them is such that they are far more accurate too, so if one paid attention to the detail of more accurate time keeping and more sophisticated modern engineering vs old world craftsmanship one could come to the incorrect conclusion that timex and Casio are more luxurious

    before fiat became the controlling owner of ferrari they were really crappy cars, they shifted horribly, so bad in fact it took lots of practice to get used to the shift gate, their steering wheels were too big and tilted too high that they were like driving a bus steering wheel, the pedals were also slanted toward the center of the car so you sat a little sideways.....as bad as these ergonomic faux pas were we all know it's a privilege to get to play with or own one, and that privilege is a luxury

    it's a privilege to be able to turn down an amazing college for a better one or to say no to a great job offer for a better one...these are privileges of excess and excess is luxurious

    and bringing it back to the details as they pertain to Cadillac it's a luxury not to have to worry and Cadillac, BMW and others using the right materials in the right places after much more engineering and study and experience building cars than any of us have was brought to bear in making those decisions ....those decisions helps to mitigate those worries about wear and tear.....being able to relax about those things feels pretty luxurious to me
    huh? Your comment about watches makes no sense at all. Are you going to tell me that a Timex or a Casio has the same level of detail as a hand built Rolex? Do you really understand the level of craftsmanship it takes to hand-build a mechanical automatic winding watch, and the limited number of watchmakers capable of building one to Rolex standards? Casio and Timex modules are built by machine. Don't even talk about accuracy, cuz if you're spending more than $50 bucks on a watch - it isn't about just telling the time. But I digress.... what about fit and finish? Do you honestly believe that a Timex/Casio has anywhere near the same level of fit and finish as a Rolex? If that's the case, you should buy a Chevy instead of a Cadillac or a Toyota instead of Lexus.

    Almost everyone I ever hear talk about cars (or watches) as luxury items refers to the fit and finish (the details) as a defining characteristic. I've never heard of someone referring to their 500 hp Camaro Z28 as a luxury item just because it's rare and fast.

    But fine we can disagree on how you and I define luxury. After all Luxury is kind of like porn. It's hard to define, but I know it when I see it.

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    Re: I see what you did there, Cadillac

    my comment makes perfect sense by your definition of attention to detail, not by craftsmanship or fit and Finnish you said attention to detail....the scientific craftsman that created the modules on a microscopic level for the machines to replicate is just as gifted as the horologist working on a scale quite a bit larger, but you miss the point that attention to detail does not luxury make.

    and since you put it out there a camaro is very much a luxury item....the car in and of itself may not be considered a luxury item, but owning one is a luxury many do not and can not have

    and as for things built by machines, not being as luxurious as hand built items, I would argue that a robots precision and automation makes a Porsche much more luxurious than a hand built Morgan , the Porsche has a level fit and finish on top of incredible engineering that is virtually unsurpassed, the Morgan on the other hand is built by the loving hands of extremely skilled craftsmen and is a crude machine by comparison, both are luxury cars whose luxury is the result of history and exclusivity.

    lastly a Rolex case is stamped out of a large bar of metal to make ingots by robots the ingots of metal are finished and polished by robots(finish Polish is by hand) a large portion the movement components are machine made and assembled as well, it's only when the movement is assembled case and crystal are mated that assembly personnel are involved, I wouldn't necessarily call them horologists, some are depending on the task, you're more likely to meet watchmakers in watch the repair and restoration end of the business so yes I have firm understanding of how fine watches are made

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    Re: I see what you did there, Cadillac

    Pillowy headrest. It invites me to smash my head back into it. Also the Onstar app is very cool. I can lock my car from anywhere in case I am unsure if I locked it when I left. The car is so quiet when it locks, I really need to invoke the horn to be sure. The app also showed me that my front tires were overinflated. Pretty cool!

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    I used the on star app during the credits of captain America last night to start my car love that feature, the funnest part is when walking out of the theater seeing the people pointing at the lights as they walk by

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    Re: I see what you did there, Cadillac

    I just downloaded the Onstar app, pretty cool! Thanks for the heads up.

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    Re: I see what you did there, Cadillac

    The windows are silent moving up and down.

    The door locks are almost silent. This could go in the negative column because I end up not sure if the door s locked and end up pulling out the keyfob.

    My wife noticed the Cadillac script engraved on the metal strip on the rear end. After she pointed it out I've been looking at other recent but older Cadillacs, and they have the metal strip, but no Cadillac script.

    Also, the Bose system is growing on me. I've heard some details in songs that I missed in other vehicles. The bass is strong. It's probably the best I've heard in a car. I haven't heard the $6,000 optional systems in the Germans, but I like it more than the B&O in the S4, the Harman in the E63, and the old Nakamichi that I really liked in the Lexus. Which is funny because I'm generally anti-Bose. The salesman said Cadillac is looking into a super high end audio option.

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    Re: I see what you did there, Cadillac

    I may be in the minority here but I like the rear of the car. In pictures it really don't show the creases and lines in the rear. When I was detailing my car I was really impressed by the workmanship back there.

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    Re: I see what you did there, Cadillac

    Agreed. It looks good out there on the road. Better looking ass than most cars out there. Unfortunately it has the stunning design of the gen 2 to live up to. Tough act to follow.

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