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    Re: 2014 CTS VSPORT Announced

    A clarification here:
    The 34 MPG highway rating is for the 528i – and that now has a 2.0 L 4 cylinder. NOT a TT I6.
    [ The TT 6 cylinder is in the 535i – EPA rating 20 / 30.
    But HP & TQ are 300 & 300. Well below the CTS’s TT V6. ]
    The TT V6 compares [ HP, TQ ] more nearly to the 550i, a TT 4.4L V8 with 400 HP & 450 TQ – and the EPA rating for the 550i automatic is exactly the same as the [ estimated ] Vsport TT V6’s rating = 17 / 25.
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    Would love a 34 MPG rating for the TT V6, but.....

    Quote Originally Posted by angelbones View Post
    So this generation is supposed to compete with the BMW 5 series right? Well I hate to say it, but Bimmer is doing a good job at advertising their 5 series twin turbo 6-cylinder that gets 34 mpg. Will the new CTS get that and in a TT V6? I hope so, but I'm dubious.

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    Re: 2014 CTS VSPORT Announced

    Quote Originally Posted by DG2 View Post
    Honestly , does anyone buying a 400hp high performance car really give a rats rear end what the mpg is !? No

    When you are driving one 92 miles per day, like me, then yes. I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DG2 View Post
    Honestly , does anyone buying a 400hp high performance car really give a rats rear end what the mpg is !? No

    When you are driving one 92 miles per day, like me, then yes. I do.
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    Re: 2014 CTS VSPORT Announced

    you can say that again
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    Re: 2014 CTS VSPORT Announced

    Quote Originally Posted by rayainsw View Post
    A clarification here:
    The 34 MPG highway rating is for the 528i – and that now has a 2.0 L 4 cylinder. NOT a TT I6.
    [ The TT 6 cylinder is in the 535i – EPA rating 20 / 30.
    But HP & TQ are 300 & 300. Well below the CTS’s TT V6. ]
    The TT V6 compares [ HP, TQ ] more nearly to the 550i, a TT 4.4L V8 with 400 HP & 450 TQ – and the EPA rating for the 550i automatic is exactly the same as the [ estimated ] Vsport TT V6’s rating = 17 / 25.
    - Ray
    Would love a 34 MPG rating for the TT V6, but.....
    Thanks for the clarification. If you listen to their commercial, they don't distinguish between the 528i and 535i, when in one sentence they claim the mpg, and the next they say coming from a twin turbo 6-cylinder. Ah, the power of advertising.

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    Re: 2014 CTS VSPORT Announced

    These high MPG ratings are achieved by driving 45 mph (Cadillac's words)....can't imagine anyone buying this car with the TT 6 and worrying about far fetched ratings....don't forget, the EPA let the companies run the tests themselves, hoping they will follow their protocols.....right....why bother?....stick with the 2.0T then....

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    I don't know, Bimmers are pretty dang nice, but too much money for one that isn't tiny. And Caddys are a way better value on the used market

    I sure find some Bimmers and MBs tempting though.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    You're assuming BMW is excellence. I call it sauerkraut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carter's_sts
    I don't know, Bimmers are pretty dang nice, but too much money for one that isn't tiny. And Caddys are a way better value on the used market

    I sure find some Bimmers and MBs tempting though.
    There time is now up. Nice yes but the new Cadillacs are stunning all around and IMHO Cadillac has restored it's image as the " must have" cars for those in the high end car market. Wonderful comeback and proving yet again never count an American company out !
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    Re: 2014 CTS VSPORT Announced

    Does anyone think the VSport *PRICE* will be comparable to a 550i, also? Me thinks so, and if my guess is right, I'd be more focused on those numbers besides MPG. Just my opinion/theory...

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    Re: 2014 CTS VSPORT Announced

    Cadillacs are amazing now. But they are priced that way too now. I loved my first gen CTS, but they have priced me out.

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    Price ? Re: 2014 CTS VSPORT Announced

    Based primarily on the current difference between competing Cadillac and BMW at the next higher level, I do expect the Vsport to be substantially less expensive than a comparably equipped BMW 550i. The current CTS-v starts at about $65K. The M5 starts at closer to $90K.

    My GUESS is that a Vsport will be priced in the $55K zip code. The 550i with M Sport and dynamic dampers [ to bring it as close as possible to match the published Vsport equipment ] currently lists for about $67K.

    - Ray
    Hoping it is no MORE than $55K . .

    Quote Originally Posted by GooseDaPlaymaker View Post
    Does anyone think the VSport *PRICE* will be comparable to a 550i, also? Me thinks so, and if my guess is right, I'd be more focused on those numbers besides MPG. Just my opinion/theory...

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    Re: 2014 CTS VSPORT Announced

    Quote Originally Posted by DG2 View Post
    Honestly , does anyone buying a 400hp high performance car really give a rats rear end what the mpg is !? No
    I do. With todays' technology, there is no need to compromise. The times of "either performance or acceptable MPG" are over. 17/25 is good - but considering its low(er) weight and the fact that it's a V6, the numbers could have been better. 17/25 is about the same as on the current 445HP 750i - considering that this is a V8 at a weight of 4575 lbs(!!!), I wonder why Caddy couldn't do better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayainsw View Post
    Based primarily on the current difference between competing Cadillac and BMW at the next higher level, I do expect the Vsport to be substantially less expensive than a comparably equipped BMW 550i. The current CTS-v starts at about $65K. The M5 starts at closer to $90K.

    My GUESS is that a Vsport will be priced in the $55K zip code. The 550i with M Sport and dynamic dampers [ to bring it as close as possible to match the published Vsport equipment ] currently lists for about $67K.

    - Ray
    Hoping it is no MORE than $55K . .
    That would be a great price - especially when considering what a fully loaded ATS costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH
    Cadillacs are amazing now. But they are priced that way too now. I loved my first gen CTS, but they have priced me out.
    That was the goal from day one of Cadillac come back. Get back in the game and keep moving up price points fir obvious reasons. That said. Cadillacs still give much more car for far less then the Germans.

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    Re: 2014 CTS VSPORT Announced

    Quote Originally Posted by DG2 View Post
    That said. Cadillacs still give much more car for far less then the Germans.
    That's true on an MSRP-basis. But a decent leasing-program on the upcoming CTS will be crucial. In the end, it won't help Cadillac much if their MSRP is $10k lower but the monthly payment on a lease $200 higher compared to a bimmer.

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    Re: 2014 CTS VSPORT Announced

    BMW has lost their way on high performance. The new M5 is fast but provides a disconnected driving experience with simulated engine noise piped into the cabin. I still have my E39 M5 whose four-cam V8 with 8 velocity stacks sound wonderful and drives great with 70k miles. I've now added a CTS-V Wagon with a M6 and recaros to my garage, and I have to say, aside from the somewhat light steering, it is pretty much flawless, and with only 150 miles on the clock, I haven't even had it over 4000 RPMs. It flat out hauls...and those brakes. They are incredible. Thank you Bob Lutz!

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