New front end reminds me of the newer MB E-series.
I saw a 5-series on the road earlier, and it struck me as similar to the CTS preview shots linked in this thread.
You have to also think the new Shelby has 650ish HP. While it isn't even close to the luxury of the current Cadillac V, and won't be as nice as the new one, I'm thinking it will at least have to partially compete with it.
I have seen rumblings on the internet about a forced induction LT1. Plus seeing as how they want cars to get more and more fuel economy, a turbocharged car would make the most sense. That would be pretty awesome. If they want the cts-v to continue to compete with the m5 they are going to need some serious power.
Considering the ATS-V will be the M3 fighter, an ATS-V with only 420hp will not be enough to combat a newer M3, while the older M3 which outputs 420hp and weighs in at just about 3700lbs range... cuts mid 12s at ~112mph thanks to its DCT transmission more then anything. ATS-V is going to need low 12s @ 115+mph. Thats what a V2 cuts, brand new. Newer ATS-V might end up being somewhere in the neighborhood of 3700lbs after all options, etc... and with just 420hp, isn't going to cut it vs even the old M3 DCT, IMO. A 500hp version of the ATS-V would be exactly what you'd need to beat the M3 at that weight.
I doubt the newer CTS-V will have less then 556hp. If it did, it would be career suicide for whoever is in charge of that market. I expect it to make significantly more... not just 580hp either. The older gen M5 made 500hp out of a NA V10 and put down numbers very close to the CTS-V in terms of trap and ET both. In comparison for the new M5 vs the '09 V...
2013 BMW M5 (DCT) 0-60 3.7 sec 1/4 mile 11.9 sec @ 120.3 mph
2011 Cadillac CTS-V 0-60 4.0 sec 1/4 mile 12.3 sec @ 117.7 mph
Their best bet will not be to equal the high 11s at 120 (which is impressive for a sedan) and what we've seen from lightly modded V2s, but it will be to beat it and although you can probably best ET with a lighter car, you will need power to best trap IMO.
Considering if they remove 200lbs from the current curb weight for the V model... They'll need 600hp or more to significantly best the car and be noticable in any side by side comparison test vs a BMW M5 DCT.
While the V2 was noted as 0-60 in 3.9 seconds, this was in the coupe... in good conditions, with an excellent driver. On average, the V2 was 0-60 in 4.2... just like the V1 was normally 0-60 in broken-axle, instead of the 4.7 advertised. LOL. It needs to have the power to best its competition while being easily accessible and able to put down the power. I think the performance division has learned alot since the V1, and don't see that as being an issue. I would expect this new generation of V to put down even more power. 400hp, 556hp, ____hp?
If they do a turbo version of the LT1 it would be a beast. My last car was a DI turbo 4 banger. With a tune and some simple built ons it was throwing down like 400lbs/trq to the wheels. I was pulling vettes and supercharged 4.6 mustangs on the big roval track at Fontana, CA. A LT1 turbo (maybe twins???) would make a person mess his pants with a tune, downpipes, good intercooler(s) and charge pipes. I sure hope that's what they do. Although I couldn't afford one, it sure would be awesome to see.
I was referring to the argument by analogy
the follow-up post included more of the same and a presupposition that I needed/wanted reassurance that my V is special
that's when I tune out.
but maybe i'm touchy. maybe I didn't need to say anything