STS-V and CTS-V price difference

[Playdrv4me]

Originally Posted by drdsgolf

I can't find the exact numbers, but they don't look very different to me. I had a 93 Seville STS, and this new STS-V by appearance looks smaller. From the pictures, side by side, the two V cars (CTS-V and STS-V) look almost identical in size. There are significant differences, chiefly the supercharged Northstar and auto tranny, but we are talking $25,000 more for the STS-V. Maybe we CTS-V owners are spoiled by an artificially low price on our car--I don't want to encourage Cadillac but I really think the CTS-V is superb bang for your muscle buck. I am 58 years young and as much as I am enjoying the 6-speed manual, I can see maybe going back to automatic, but don't really want to spend $75,000 for the privilege.

ds

And this is precisely what Cadillac is going to have to fight with this car. It is true that the LSx CTS-V is such a bang for the buck, it natually raises questions as to the 20k or so difference between the two vehicles. However overall the STS is definitely the luxury oriented vehicle of the bunch. Some things the STS has the CTS has never offered...

*Laser Intelligent Cruise Control
*Voice Command Navigation system
*Heated/Cooled Seats
*Dolby Digital Surround sound audio system
*Increased hip, shoulder and leg room
*Perimeter Keyfob starting and unlock/lock features
*Intelligent Headlamps which adjust for oncoming traffic automatically
*LED Taillamps
*Bi-xenon headlamps etc etc etc...

In some European brands, just those features alone would add up to at least 10 grand on an options sheet.

So the question that really comes into play is then not so much whether the pricetag over the CTS-V is at issue, but rather whether the 10,000 or so over the otherwise loaded V8 STS is justifiable. Considering that vehicle can be had with discounts now for just a over 55k, and we've got a dealer on here giving 05 V's away for 41,900... it only makes the possibility of a mid 70's price point on the STS-V even harder to swallow.

Ive always said the CTS-V was an absolute home run... The other "V" cars have alot to live up to.

[KSullivan]

Hey-

In response to your question- if you go the site below and click the side-by-side comparison button you can compare the 2 models and it will give you all the differences including prices, it also gives you the pros & cons to each car- enjoy!

Hope it helps you decide!

http://research.cars.com/go/crp/pric...ff=forbesautos

[GNSCOTT]

GM will be lucky to sell 1k STS-V's at that price. The room is comparable to a Chrysler 300 SRT-8.

*Laser Intelligent Cruise Control (like a $2500 option)
*Voice Command Navigation system ( I expext that all GM Nav's will have this soon)
*Heated/Cooled Seats (cooled is the only option here)
*Dolby Digital Surround sound audio system (not sure if most will notice a difference between that and the Bose system.
*Increased hip, shoulder and leg room (its comparable with a Chrysler 300)
*Perimeter Keyfob starting and unlock/lock features ($199 installed remote starter. Cannot have on a manual transmission)
*Intelligent Headlamps which adjust for oncoming traffic automatically (glad they will pay more to make other drivers feel more comfy)
*LED Taillamps (cost GM $25)
*Bi-xenon headlamps etc etc etc... ( HID's are on the V)


PEOPLE WILL NOT PAY $25K MORE FOR THAT!! At 6"s longer, if the V is a mid sized car, does that now make the STS-V a full size car? The 2 cars side by side look ALMOST identical in looks and size. The average car buyer will not be able to tell the 2 apart on a car lot. I had trouble the first time.

[Crozier]

What's the price difference between the M3 and the M5? Has the new M3's price been released yet? I don't think the new M5's price has.

How about the difference between the two outgoing models. Anybody know the price difference between those two?

[Devil_concours]

Originally Posted by Crozier

What's the price difference between the M3 and the M5? Has the new M3's price been released yet? I don't think the new M5's price has.

How about the difference between the two outgoing models. Anybody know the price difference between those two?

55k to 80k

[RocketV]

I think a lot of us are missing the point of the STS-V. I have a CTS V and it is a beast when unleashed. From everything I 've learned (Including almost an hour spent with an engineer at the Detroit Auto Show) the STS V will be more like a luxury rocket than the CTS V. Not just due to the auto trans, either. The car is larger, heavier, and will have more sound suppression than the CTS V to insulate the crew form the harsh world outside. Gobs of power will ensure that you never have to wait or feel frustrated by lackadaisical acceleration.

Being a product designer, I am in love with the "supercharged" script on the front doors. Just a small detail, but it reminds me of the streamlined locomotives of the thirties and forties.
Think M5 for the CTS V and CLS 55 for the STS V.

[The Tony Show]

A loaded out CTS 3.6L runs about 44K. A loaded out STS V8 tags at 63K. $19,000 difference. What's so hard to swallow about $20 grand more for an STS-V over a CTS-V?

To list the improvements in the STS over the CTS would take all day, but here's some off the top of my head:

-Double laminated glass around the whole car

-rainsense wipers

-5.1 channel DVD audio

-touchscreen nav

-bluetooth

-twice the sound deadening via mats in the firewall, doors, floor, etc..

-intellibeam

-Magnetic ride control

-leather wrapped door inserts, dash and center console (vs plastic in the CTS)

-A/V interface for iPods

-15 speakers

-power tilt/telescope steering wheel

-ultrasonic park assist

-adaptive cruise control

...and that's only a few, plus the fact that engineering and PCM tuning for a forced induction motor takes many times the man hours of swapping an exisiting and well known engine into an existing car.

I think for 70-75K, it will be a bargain. (comparitively speaking, of course)

[rodster111]

2006 CTS-V 2006 STS V8

Wheelbase (in.) 113.4 116.4

Length (in.) 191.5 196.3

Height (in.) 57.3 57.6

Width (in.) 70.6 72.6

Track (front) 61.1 61.8

Track (rear) 61.4 62.3

Curb Weight 3850 4026

Head Room (front) (in.) 38.9 38.7

Head Room (rear) (in.) 36.9 37.9

Hiproom (front) (in.) 53.4 54.6

Hiproom (rear) (in.) 53.8 55.6

Leg Room (front) (in.) 42.4 42.6

Leg Room (rear) (in.) 36.2 38.3

Shoulder Room (front) (in.) 56.6 58.6

Shoulder Room (rear) (in.) 56.2 57.4

Cargo Volume (cu. ft.) 12.5 13.8

[Dave's V]

As you see above, the two V's are not that much difference in size. While the STS V has 69 more HP, it also has 150 more pounds and hooked up to an auto tranny (a nice one though). I wouldn't say the LSx engines are any less "modern" than the Northstar motors. All are excellent motors. The LSx engines just proves that older technology can put out just as much power as newer ones. (Yes the STS V has more power from a smaller motor that is supercharged though). Complex things are a real pain in the butt to fix also, that includes the special standard features on the STS V.

If anyone has $75k, the STS V will be a great car to own. It will be up to the owner though if it is worth $25k more than a CTS V. It really appeals to a different market than the CTS V. I personally don't think so, not when a Z06 is in the same price range area. (Yeah, extremely different cars except in price.) The LS7 might not be "modern" enough though for the STS V owner though.

[PneuBird]

"The LS7 might not be modern enough"