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Old 02-01-05, 09:14 AM
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V versus V

STS Vs. CTS
When does it start? When will the fighting begin? Kind of curious how the fine, level headed caddy owners will get in to this one....
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Re: V versus V

Will this be like the great Camaro vs. Firebird battle?
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Re: V versus V

Nah. The CTS-V outperforms the STS-V in all projected performance numbers. Sure, the STS has 40 more horse, but it is a much larger car.

Think of it like the BMW M3 versus the BMW M5. The 3 is a much more trackable car with better numbers than the 5, but it does not detract from how great the 5 is (which for years many had considered the finest sedan in the world). It's not anything like the 'Camaro Vs. Firebird battle' in that the CTS and STS exist in completely different classes where the Camaro and Firebird were more or less the same car packaged differently...
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Re: V versus V

I'm about half way in agreement with you here. The two F-body cars ARE too similar to really compare the two. On the other hand, your statement about the M3 and M5 don't make as much sense. The M5 will usually smoke an M3. And then your comment about the STS being a much larger car than the CTS. Have you looked at the dimensions of the two cars? They are so close they could EASILY compete with each other in many ways. Matter of fact, I'm not the first person to point this issue out. I'd like to see a head to head comparo of a RWD V8 STS-v and a CTS-v. My money's on the CTS-v!
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Re: V versus V

That was my point! The new STS and CTS are very similar, not too much size difference, and with the 40 HP extra with the STS-V, it will be a close match. I'm sure this will be an ongoing arguement about who's V is faster once the STS-V's come out!
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Re: V versus V

Hmmmm..

I've even mistaken them briefly in pictures. I had to restart the article in a magazine when I thought they were comparing the new STS-V. Oops, it was the CTS-V..
I am starting to think they are too close.
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Re: V versus V

For comparison purposes:

Performance:

Cadillac STS-V
440hp SuperCharged DOHC Northstar V8
6 speed automatic
4295 lbs.
0-60: 4.9 (est.)
1/4 mile: 13.0 @ 110mph (est.)
Braking 60-0: 115ft.
SkidPad: 0.88g

Cadillac CTS-V
400hp LS6 OHV V8
6 speed manual
3890 lbs.
0-60: 4.7
1/4 mile: 13.1 @ 109.8mph
Braking 60-0: 111ft.
SkidPad: 0.90g


Price and Size:

Cadillac STS-V
$75,000
Wheelbase (in.): 116.4
Length (in.): 196.3
Height (in.): 57.6
Width (in.): 72.6
Track (front): 61.8
Track (rear): 62.3
Head Room (front) (in.): 38.7
Head Room (rear) (in.): 37.9
Hiproom (front) (in.): 54.6
Hiproom (rear) (in.): 55.6
Leg Room (front) (in.): 42.6
Leg Room (rear) (in.): 38.3
Shoulder Room (front) (in.): 58.6
Shoulder Room (rear) (in.): 57.4
Cargo Volume (mfr.) (cu. ft.): 13.8

Cadillac CTS-V
$51,295
Wheelbase (in.): 113.4
Length (in.): 191.5
Height (in.): 57.3
Width (in.): 70.6
Track (front): 61.1
Track (rear): 61.4
Head Room (front) (in.): 38.9
Head Room (rear) (in.): 36.9
Hiproom (front) (in.): 53.4
Hiproom (rear) (in.): 53.8
Leg Room (front) (in.): 42.4
Leg Room (rear) (in.): 36.2
Shoulder Room (front) (in.): 56.6
Shoulder Room (rear) (in.): 56.2
Cargo Volume (mfr.) (cu. ft.): 12.5
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Re: V versus V

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The 3 is a much more trackable car with better numbers than the 5, but it does not detract from how great the 5 is.
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On the other hand, your statement about the M3 and M5 don't make as much sense. The M5 will usually smoke an M3.
Perhaps you misread my statement. The M3 is a better track car than the M5. The M5 may post better dragstrip times, but that's not really the focus of these cars, is it?

(numbers from Road&Track)

BMW M3 2001
333hp I6
0-60: 4.7
1/4 mile: 13.3 @ 106.8mph
Braking 60-0: 112ft.
SkidPad: 0.91g
Slalom: 68.3mph

BMW M5 2003
394hp V8
0-60: 4.8
1/4 mile: 13.3 @ 108.5mph
Braking 60-0: 116ft.
SkidPad: 0.85g
Slalom: 66.4mph


Nurburgring Lap Times:
BMW M3: 8.22
BMW M5: 8.28

Don't get me wrong, I've always liked the M5 and would choose one over an M3 if I had to pick. The M3 isn't the street car that the M5 is. But the M5 is not the track performer that the M3 is. They're different catergories (just like the CTS and STS ).
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Post Re: V versus V

When a CTS-V and an STS-V meet at a stop light the STS-V will win 98% of the time. The STS-V has a BETTER power to weight ratio and the 6spd auto offers very agressive gearing. Plus, the SC N* makes more power down low (take a look at the specs), and it has more rubber on the road (275 vs 245).

From a roll, the race should be close, but the STS-V will win every time.
Since drag is more of a factor than weight at high speeds, the extra 40HP will allow the STS-V to win highway races.

The only area where the CTS-V should outshine the STS-V is on a road course, when both cars are driven by professional drivers.
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Re: V versus V

Isn't there going to be a "launch mode" or something of that nature in the STSv? I think this is also found in the E55 amg?
Wonder if the STSv will have wheel hop???
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