What are the numbers on your V, and what mods have you done to it?
No real performance mods, cat-back exhaust, wheels and tail lights. Here's the last set of dyno runs done after the dealership fixed what they broke, fixing the car. This was to verify it was back to where it should be. On this dyno 370/372.
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Originally Posted by fast impala
Your burden of proof is way above what I would be willing to do, but, of course, I knew that already.
Yeah I'm a Mutha Fracker
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Originally Posted by fast impala
The only real dyno, IMHO, is the track. I dyno mainly to check A/F on cars I race. I've done a bunch.
The V is a daily driver, and I'll get it out on the dr's, in some nice air, and lay down some twelves, eventually.
If I'm checking a car to see what performance differences any real mod has made, I would prefer to keep as many constants under my control as possible for getting numbers. As you well know, track conditions can vary from day to day and most folks who go to a track don't run their cars in the same configuration(s) as they drive it on the street. Change tires, lower tire pressures, higher grade fuel, lighter loads, etc to get the best possible times. That's fine and all but it kinda skews how the car's performance is in a DD / street configuration.
The good thing about running at the track is you get to run the car, legally , and practice launches. Of course I would never run my car at a track as that could be considered abuse by a dealership to use to deny my warranty, and we wouldn't want to see that happen.
My last post on this discussion to nowhere. You're disclaiming mods you haven't done to your own vehicle, based on your definition of scientific proof. Since you're not willing to take your car down the track, it all becomes moot.
I deal strictly with the empirical world of the track. Come down to CCMP at Rusk, TX, and we can put this to rest very easily. Under equal conditions, if my setup is making the HP I'm claiming, I should have a clear performance advantage at the track.
I love keyboard warriors, Adios!
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My last post on this discussion to nowhere. You're disclaiming mods you haven't done to your own vehicle, based on your definition of scientific proof. Since you're not willing to take your car down the track, it all becomes moot.
I'm not disclaiming anything. I believe I stated pretty clearly I was not calling into question your honesty on the matter. How is that even perceived by you ? All I asked for was any results from testing that was done on the car to see the differences provided by that. You stated you did have them.
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Originally Posted by fast impala
I deal strictly with the empirical world of the track. Come down to CCMP at Rusk, TX, and we can put this to rest very easily. Under equal conditions, if my setup is making the HP I'm claiming, I should have a clear performance advantage at the track.
Equal conditions would imply the only difference between our cars is your added performance mods, which I assume is your intakes vs my stock parts. So which one of us is going to go out and buy the same tires and wheels as the other to run at the track ? After all for any testing to be fairly legit the only difference in the cars should be the mods, all other factors would need to be the same if we're attempting to demonstrate strictly what the mods have done. For that matter running the car at a track isn't actually necessary, as a dyno is quite capable of showing any HP/TQ increases mods do for a vehicle vs running at a track which can be affected by other various factors outside of the mods. Probably part of the reason why the people that build and sell modifications use dynos to show the difference vs showing their drag times.
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Originally Posted by fast impala
I love keyboard warriors, Adios!
Maybe I'm just not careless enough to post in an open forum if I ever did something at a track or other venue that a dealership or insurance company could use against me as has happened to other owners.
I love forum personalities that make sweeping judgments about other individuals without actually knowing shit.
I never doubted your numbers, I fully expect mine to run mid to high twelves. I'm an experienced racer, and I know what to do to make a car go fast.
As to D3's claims on their 1.5 package, they were right on the money with my V. I did some before and after dyno stuff, believe it or don't believe it.
D3's not paying me a dime, I made 416 at the wheels.
You wanna go fast, you pay somebody to make the parts, or you make them yourself.
We do a lot of dyno testing on almost all of our products and we can provide dyno sheets for what we have if we haven't already posted the dyno sheets on the forums.
As you can see from a breakdown of this particular run:
Bone stock, 2:54 PM, 77.54 degree F, 29.12 in Hg, 34% humidity
The STS-V produced 360.99 rwhp and 364.47 lbs torque
Same car, adding a Stage 1 STS-V Intake, now 4:05 PM, temp now 80.81 degrees F, same 29.12 in-Hg and Humidity now 44%
The STS-V produced 378.70 rwhp and 381.36 lbs torque
So to summarize: Adding a Stage 1 intake produced an additional 17.71 rwhp and 16.89 lbs torque. Mind you, we made this much additional power when the temperature was 3.27 degrees hotter and 10% more humidity. If the temp and humidity were IDENTICAL between runs, we would have produced even better numbers.
Went to Great Lakes Dragaway in WI to get some baseline runs on my bone stock 2006 STS-V today. Took advantage of the nice air (-605 DA) and was really happy with the car once I somewhat figured how to get it out of the hole on a COLD track. The technique was quite a bit different than launching my SVT Cobra on ET Streets at 5500 . Here's the video and timeslip from the best pass of the day, a 13.07 @ 107.99:
The technique was quite a bit different than launching my SVT Cobra on ET Streets at 5500 . Here's the video and timeslip from the best pass of the day, a 13.07 @ 107.99:
very nice time, even more impressive considering that is in stock trim. You obviously know how to drive - unlike the magazine editors who say this car only runs 12.3. Did you try unhooking the wheel sensors so you could really heat up the tires? Not sure if u have run craps, but i found if i got the tires nice and hot, I could pull 1.8's to the 60' mark. Your speed thru the trap is impressive too. I had that exact same speed with my 06, but that was with the stage I&II D3 intake and ECU. So do you have the itch for some upgrades yet?? : ) I'd love to know what your Cobra runs too (I miss my Saleen Cobra!).
k. Your speed thru the trap is impressive too. I had that exact same speed with my 06, but that was with the stage I&II D3 intake and ECU.
Got any input as to why that might be given that the mod'd car should have more HP ? (unless he's got one of those few factory cars that seem to get built a little better than others)
very nice time, even more impressive considering that is in stock trim. You obviously know how to drive - unlike the magazine editors who say this car only runs 12.3. Did you try unhooking the wheel sensors so you could really heat up the tires? Not sure if u have run craps, but i found if i got the tires nice and hot, I could pull 1.8's to the 60' mark. Your speed thru the trap is impressive too. I had that exact same speed with my 06, but that was with the stage I&II D3 intake and ECU. So do you have the itch for some upgrades yet?? : ) I'd love to know what your Cobra runs too (I miss my Saleen Cobra!).
Thanks. Not sure I really know how to drive this car, I made about 8 passes (the others were 13.2-13.7) I think I just got lucky and got the launch just right this one pass. Considering the temp was in the upper 30's, low 40's and I was on stock tires, I think a 1.8 60 ft. would have been near impossible. I will try the wheel sensor trick if I get it to the track again.
As to the high trap speed, it's easily explained:
1) I let the car cool thoroughly between passes.
2) The DA was -600 feet
3) There was also a bit of a tailwind
I'm sure if your modded STS-V was running at this track with the same weather I ran in on Sunday, you'd have seen 111-112 trap speeds. I actually trapped 109 one pass and 108 on one or two others, but didn't launch as well (2.2 and 2.3 60 fts.). Try running your car at Atco at this time of year and you'll likely be pleasantly surprised at your trap speeds.
Here's some memories for ya, my Cobra's best pass to date (from about a month ago):
CIWS... Pay my dyno time and I will order the stage 1.5 and 2 package from D3. I will spend all day Adding pieces and dyno'ing each step of the way. To do this I will have to reserve the dyno ALL DAY as they tend to not let you do work on the spot.
. Here's the video and timeslip from the best pass of the day, a 13.07 @ 107.99:
and I agree with the video quality comment. Nice and clear , good camera work, plus not full of a bunch of extra junk.
