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    So today it's pretty bad in PA. Had to shovel parents driveway so when I finished I checked my dads 07 4.6 N* STSs oil level.

    5 quarts yes 5 quarts low.

    People should NEVER rely on a computer message to check it. Period. Ever.

    His VVT runs A LOT quieter now...

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    Re: For people who DONT check your oil...

    I thought these N*s were bulletproof. Must be burning oil like crazy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRSTS
    I thought these N*s were bulletproof. Must be burning oil like crazy?
    He never checks it. Ever.

    I'd consider the fact he was driving it that low for likely an extended period of time a testament to how bulletproof they are. Not that I recommend trying it yourself.

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    Re: For people who DONT check your oil...

    An HFV6 would never be that tough. It would crap its timing chains after the first quart went missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keith721
    An HFV6 would never be that tough. It would crap its timing chains after the first quart went missing.
    Not sure what you mean by HF but I agree the V6 would of crapped out and left someone stranded and 5-6k lighter in the wallet.

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    Re: For people who DONT check your oil...

    "High Feature V6" - It's GM's term for the entire family of 2.8/3.2/3.6L V6s.
    The 2.8L V6 in my 2007 CTS crapped its timing chains at less than 70K miles.
    The 4.6L N* in my 1993 STS went 208K miles with absolutely no major issues.

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    Re: For people who DONT check your oil...

    Ive never heard it abbreviated that way lol

    Im still surprised the Check Oil Level message never came on the DIC.

    Checking his 07 owners manual is actually NEVER makes any mention of an Check Oil Level Message!!!!

    GM ESI does list it though:

    CHECK OIL LEVEL

    The driver information center (DIC) displays CHECK OIL LEVEL when the engine control module (ECM) detects a low engine oil level condition from the engine oil level sensor/switch.



    Im going to dig into it tonight and see if I unplug the sensor if it trips the light. If not then it works the opposite way (jump the wires it trips the light) so Ill test that way.

    There is NO reason that lamp shouldnt of been on...

    Ive never let my 05 run past 1 qrt low as I check it every other fill up so I cant say I've seen the message on that one either...

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    2005 Manual

    BATTERY VOLTAGE LOW
    This symbol appears with
    the BATTERED VOLTAGE
    LOW message.
    When this message displays, the electrical system
    is charging less than 10 volts or the battery has
    been drained.
    If this message appears immediately after starting the
    engine, it is possible that the generator can still recharge
    the battery. The battery should recharge while driving
    but may take a few hours to do so. Consider using
    an auxiliary charger (be sure to follow the
    manufacturer’s instructions) to boost the battery after
    returning home or to a final destination.
    If this message appears while driving or after starting
    your vehicle and stays on, have it checked immediately
    to determine the cause of this problem.
    To help the generator recharge the battery quickly, you
    can reduce the load on the electrical system by
    turning off the accessories.
    The normal battery voltage range is 11.5 to 15.5 volts.
    You can monitor battery voltage on the DIC by pressing
    the information button until you find BATTERY VOLTS.

    CHANGE ENGINE OIL SOON
    When this message displays, it means that service is
    required for your vehicle. See your GM dealer. See
    Engine Oil on page 5-16
    and
    Scheduled Maintenance
    on page 6-4
    for more information.
    When you reset the CHANGE ENGINE OIL SOON
    message by clearing it from the display, you still must
    reset the engine oil life system separately. For more
    information on resetting the engine oil life system, see
    Engine Oil Life System on page 5-19.

    CHECK BRAKE FLUID
    This message will display if the ignition is on to inform
    the driver that the brake fluid level is low. Have the
    brake system serviced by your GM dealer as soon as
    possible. See
    Brake System Warning Light on page 3-60
    for more information.

    CHECK COOLANT LEVEL
    This message will display when there is a low level of
    engine coolant. Have the cooling system serviced
    by your GM dealer as soon as possible. See
    Engine
    Coolant on page 5-23
    for more information.
    3-76

    CHECK GAS CAP
    When this message displays, the gas cap has not been
    fully tightened. You should recheck the gas cap to
    ensure that it is on and tightened properly.

    CHECK OIL LEVEL
    This message will display when the oil level is low. See
    Engine Oil on page 5-16
    for more information on
    checking your engine oil.

    CHECK TIRE PRESSURE
    This symbol appears with
    the CHECK TIRE
    PRESSURE message.
    If your vehicle is equipped with a tire pressure monitor,
    this message will display when one or more of the
    vehicle’s tires are low or high. See
    DIC Controls and
    Displays on page 3-69
    for information on checking your
    vehicle’s tire pressures.

    CHECK WASHER FLUID
    This symbol appears with
    the CHECK WASHER
    FLUID message.
    When this message displays, it means that your vehicle
    is low on windshield washer fluid. You should refill
    the tank as soon as possible. See
    Windshield Washer
    Fluid on page 5-34
    for more information.

    CLEAN RADAR
    When this message displays, it means that the Adaptive
    Cruise Control system is disabled because the radar
    is blocked and cannot detect vehicles in your path.
    It may also activate during heavy rain or due to road
    spray. To clean the system, see “Cleaning the System”
    under
    Adaptive Cruise Control on page 3-19






    2007 Manual

    BATTERY VOLTAGE LOW
    This symbol appears
    with this message.
    This message displays when the electrical system
    is charging less than 10 volts or the battery has
    been drained.
    If this message appears immediately after starting
    the engine, it is possible that the generator can
    still recharge the battery. The battery should
    recharge while driving, but may take a few hours
    to do so. Consider using an auxiliary charger
    to boost the battery after returning home or to a
    final destination. Make sure you follow the
    manufacturer’s instructions.
    If this message appears while driving or after
    starting your vehicle and stays on, have it checked
    immediately to determine the cause of this problem.
    To help the generator recharge the battery quickly,
    you can reduce the load on the electrical system
    by turning off the accessories.
    The normal battery voltage range is
    11.5 to 15.5 volts. You can monitor battery voltage
    on the DIC by pressing the information button
    until you find BATTERY VOLTS.

    CHANGE ENGINE OIL SOON
    This message displays when service is required
    for your vehicle. See your dealer. See
    Engine
    Oil on page 380
    and
    Scheduled Maintenance on
    page 505
    for more information.
    When you reset the CHANGE ENGINE OIL
    SOON message by clearing it from the display,
    you still must reset the engine oil life system
    separately. For more information on resetting the
    engine oil life system, see
    Engine Oil Life
    System on page 383.

    CHECK BRAKE FLUID
    This message displays if the ignition is on to
    inform the driver that the brake fluid level is low.
    Have the brake system serviced by your dealer as
    soon as possible. See
    Brake System Warning
    Light on page 248
    for more information.

    CHECK GAS CAP
    This message displays when the fuel cap has not
    been fully tightened. Recheck the fuel cap to
    ensure that it is on and tightened properly.

    CHECK TIRE PRESSURE
    If your vehicle has a Tire Pressure Monitor (TPM)
    system, this message displays when the tire
    pressure in one of the tires needs to be checked.
    See
    DIC Controls and Displays on page 258
    for more information on checking your vehicle’s
    tire pressures. If a tire pressure message appears
    on the DIC, stop as soon as you can. Have the
    tire pressures checked and set to those shown on
    the Tire Loading Information label. See
    Tire
    Pressure Monitor System on page 433
    and
    Inflation - Tire Pressure on page 431
    for more
    information. If the tire pressure is low, the low tire
    pressure warning light comes on. See
    Low Tire
    Pressure Warning Light on page 249.

    CHECK WASHER FLUID
    This symbol appears
    with this message.
    This message displays when your vehicle is low
    on windshield washer fluid. Refill the windshield
    washer fluid reservoir as soon as possible.
    See
    Windshield Washer Fluid on page 404
    for
    more information.
    CLEAN RADAR
    This message displays when the Adaptive Cruise
    Control system is disabled because the radar
    is blocked and cannot detect vehicles in your path.
    It may also activate during heavy rain or due to
    road spray. To clean the system, see “Cleaning the
    System” under
    Adaptive Cruise Control on
    page 197.

    COMPETITIVE DRIVING (STS-V Only)
    This message displays when the competitive
    driving mode is turned on with the traction control
    button. The TC (traction control) light comes on
    when the competitive driving mode is on. The
    Traction Control System (TCS) will not operate
    while in competitive driving mode. Adjust your
    driving accordingly. See
    Competitive Driving Mode
    (STS-V) on page 325
    for more information.

    DRIVER DOOR AJAR
    This symbol appears
    with this message.
    This message displays if the driver’s door was not
    closed completely. Make sure that the driver’s
    door is closed completely.



    It appears that both the Coolant Level and Oil Level warning messages are NOT there.

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    Re: For people who DONT check your oil...

    some of the newer (2006/2007+) northstar engines do not have a low oil level switch in the oil pan ... there is no reason given for this... they just don't have it
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    Quote Originally Posted by RippyPartsDept
    some of the newer (2006/2007+) northstar engines do not have a low oil level switch in the oil pan ... there is no reason given for this... they just don't have it
    Thanks Chris

    This would confirm and explain why he had no notification.

    It's listed in my 05 so I assume mine has it. Wonder why they deleted it!?

    Finally one advantage for the 05 other than passenger presence system.

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    Re: For people who DONT check your oil...

    Mostly I'm posting to say I think the term "crapped its timing chains" is hilarious.

    But also, if it was 5 qts low, how long since it was changed? I think I'd be 5 quarts low in 40-50000 miles.

    I helped my neighbor check his oil a long time ago, really nice Korean guy, didn't speak a word of English though Old Caprice or something. He had been checking the transmission dipstick and thinking that was his oil! When I looked at it, his actual engine oil was super low.

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    Re: For people who DONT check your oil...

    Its always had changed oil and filter per the DIC with 5w30 mobil 1.

    OLM says 44% Life Remaining.

    He NEVER beats the piss out of it but does not powershift it to redline as per the old gurus recommendations (though I tell him COUNTLESS TIMES IT WONT HURT IT IT NEEDS IT).

    With it that low him not going full blown WOT is probably what saved it.

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    Re: For people who DONT check your oil...

    Yeah it's just weird that it'd lose what, like a quart per 1000 miles, ish. I know the oil usage in these varies. I guess keep a close eye on it.

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    Re: For people who DONT check your oil...

    The great majority of today's car owners have absolutely no idea that there are things to check and do to keep a car running. None of them read the owner's manual. Most do not know where the hood latch is. If it starts and goes into gear, fine; if it does not, they complain to the dealer. "It's a Cadillac; I don't need to check anything !"
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    Re: For people who DONT check your oil...

    Quote Originally Posted by Submariner409 View Post
    The great majority of today's car owners have absolutely no idea that there are things to check and do to keep a car running. None of them read the owner's manual. Most do not know where the hood latch is. If it starts and goes into gear, fine; if it does not, they complain to the dealer. "It's a Cadillac; I don't need to check anything !"
    Agreed

    And it pissed me off...

    Clearly I did NOT get my car sense from my father lol

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