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    VIN doesn't match up with car description

    This is either a huge red flag or a subtlety of VIN conventions. I'm looking at a 2005 STS4. Dealer sent me the carfax report. Don't see anywhere in carfax that gives a detailed vehicle description. However, trying several other VIN search sites, they all come up with RWD. This is supposed to be an AWD. One site also had it listed as Raven Black with black interior. However the car is blue with tan interior.

    Seems the VIN should at least decode the AWD versus RWD. Maybe not the exterior/interior colors though, I don't know.

    Can anyone help out on this? Don't want to buy a car that's being misrepresented.

    The VIN is 1G6DC67A050150789

    Thanks!
    Bob

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    Re: VIN doesn't match up with car description

    That sounds like a red flag to me. Weird. I think we need the cadillac customer service reps to chime in here.

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    What website? When I was looking to purchase a car there were a couple dealers websites I stumbled across that seemed too good to be true, and were not very responsive. Maybe it is a shady dealer. Or the person is color blind that put up the description

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    Re: VIN doesn't match up with car description

    The AWD option will be noted by the addition of appropriate RPO codes. The better way for you to determine this is to look at the Service Parts Identification label and check for the correct codes. I'm not entirely surprised with your post. Many sources have listed my AWD as RWD as well, but it is most definitely not.

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    Even if you look at the actual VIN decoder card put out by GM, this does not differentiate between RWD and AWD for cars. Trucks are different (ie: C versus K body).
    http://service.gm.com/dealerworld/vi.../vincard05.pdf

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    Also, if this is at a GM dealership, they will be able to provide you with the actual build sheet. This will list all the RPO codes and what each one means.

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    When I bought my 06 regular STS back in 09 I crawled under and checked for the front axles just to make sure.

    It had the 4 on the back, but the Carfax report said RWD.

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    Re: VIN doesn't match up with car description

    I guess that's common. What about the color discrepancies though?

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    Re: VIN doesn't match up with car description

    Mine showed the correct colors, so not sure about that.

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    Re: VIN doesn't match up with car description

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy.Seminerio View Post
    I guess that's common. What about the color discrepancies though?
    I think it depends on the site and where they obtained their data (which can be inaccurate for a variety of reasons). I have seen instances where a single RPO code is used for two or more different colours. For example, in a Chev line a specific RPO may indicate one colour but the same code may represent an entirely different colour for a Pontiac, Cadillac, etc. In the case of my car (paint RPO code 78U - Sunset Blue), one site offering a list of all GM RPO's shows this same code (78U) as "Dark Yellow Red Metallic".

    Keep in mind that paint codes are a whole other system as well and must not be confused with RPO codes. Although my (paint/colour) RPO code is 78U, my paint code is U 400P (which is the code used by paint suppliers, body shops, etc and does not vary from one car/line to another). Colour information is not encoded in the VIN. This will be part of the vehicle build which is linked to the VIN.

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    Re: VIN doesn't match up with car description

    .............. even back in the Seville years some of the RPO's for color showed two VERY different possibilities for ONE RPO.

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    Re: VIN doesn't match up with car description

    Quote Originally Posted by bbusse60 View Post
    This is either a huge red flag or a subtlety of VIN conventions. I'm looking at a 2005 STS4. Dealer sent me the carfax report. Don't see anywhere in carfax that gives a detailed vehicle description. However, trying several other VIN search sites, they all come up with RWD. This is supposed to be an AWD. One site also had it listed as Raven Black with black interior. However the car is blue with tan interior.

    Seems the VIN should at least decode the AWD versus RWD. Maybe not the exterior/interior colors though, I don't know.

    Can anyone help out on this? Don't want to buy a car that's being misrepresented.

    The VIN is 1G6DC67A050150789

    Thanks!
    Bob
    Hello Bob,

    I was able to look up your VIN and see in fact that your vehicle is AWD. Option code is, MV3 - ALL WHEEL DRIVE. After looking at another option code, 32I - INT TRIM MED DK CASHMERE, it shows the interior is tan. If there are additional questions or concerns I could assist you with, please reach out to us!

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    Laura M.
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    Re: VIN doesn't match up with car description

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    Re: VIN doesn't match up with car description

    I can also confirm that car is an AWD.

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    Re: VIN doesn't match up with car description

    That's my choice car; truly a 'loaded' 1SG.

    Is that color Blue Chip? I bet it looks great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EChas3 View Post
    That's my choice car; truly a 'loaded' 1SG.

    Is that color Blue Chip? I bet it looks great.
    No V brakes. Likely no active steering either.

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