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    This is right out of a movie...

    So...my wife and I head over to the pseudo dealer, today, to press them about this 1SG.

    The place is locked up tight. No cars outside, nothing.

    Interesting.

    I called a half-dozen times, from a phone which I've called from, before. Every time, it's "answered", then put down. I can hear background noise.

    Eventually, it goes to voicemail.

    Okay...so they are douchebags of the month...possibly of the year. No worries, I'll move on.

    So we're driving home, and this is NW Dallas, TX, to SW Fort Worth, and I take 183 'cause I'm still a bit brain-dead from my 20 hours of work/travel, yesterday. It's about a 45 mile drive, but it's a really nice day, and I'm really glad to be home after a week in DC.

    As we're passing Westway Ford's used car lot, my wife is lookin', and says, "hey, what about that?!"

    Wow, what looks to be an '05 GTO...red, not my style, and with the whole hood scoop thing, but I've always wanted to get a closer look at the Holden Monaro. She knows what'd catch my eye, though I'd prefer white/silver/gray.

    So I go to the next exit, circle around, pull in...it's a good 7 minutes of travel time.

    Coming the other way in the parking lot, also circling, is a white diamond STS. I muttered, "damnit". Then I said, "I wonder if he's shopping, too?"

    We circle around, and meet on the next row. He's already out of the car, beating off a used car guy, and I ask, "are you trading that in?" He answers, "yes, but next week on a truck I have coming in...I'd rather it went to someone other than the dealer."

    I park, we chat, I look it over with my wife...it's clean. Lower mileage than the 1SG by 22K (81K on this one), and has everything I want, though I can see it has 17" wheels, which means regular-sized brakes, and likely the 3.23 rear. Plus, the interior is tan, and I'm really not a fan of that color...but I seriously dig on the pearlescent white exterior.

    Tires are new Continentals and have maybe 5K on 'em, the car is well-cared for, guy is probably in his late-50's, bought it with 11K on it, and he travels to Houston/Austin quite a bit for golf-related stuff. I don't think the back seat has ever been used. The only "damage" I can find is the passenger door speaker grille has been kicked, and is dented. Meh.

    IOW, the driver's seat is in a perfectly normal driving position, not something you'd expect out of a Lay-Z-Boy.

    The tan interior isn't as bad as it could be. At least it's light-colored.

    I get his number, the VIN, and then we check to see where the nearest Wells Fargo is, 'cause he's picking up his new ride, Wednesday...a pickup...figures , and hope we can find one close. It's 1:35P, and Saturday. I think all the banks close at noon, but hell, I'll give it a shot. I'm leaving town, again, on Monday, for a week, and it'll be at the dealer on Wednesday, marked up to $20K.

    Whadda know, the nearest bank is quite-literally across the freeway. We go over, and hey, they're open 'till 2!

    My wife cashes the cashier's check made out to idiot and moron motors, and pulls out an additional $4K. The guy is asking $13K, claims the dealer is gonna give him $12K, and he seems pretty firm. I'll know more about true "value" when I get to a keyboard.

    It's a 1SF, nothing special, no HUD or ACC, but otherwise, it's just like the 1SG I was shopping, though without the 3.42 diff, extra cooling fans, or the ZF steering gear...or the larger brakes/18" wheels. Don't really need those, and 17" tires will be less-expensive/more pothole resistant. Oh, and it doesn't have the "tuscany" leather, but the interior was in better shape, regardless.

    For curiosities sake, the VIN is 1G6DC67AX50137841 . 14 VIN 'records' is light years ahead of the last one's 39.

    Erk.

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    Re: This is right out of a movie...

    Wow...what a story! For the record, the brakes are the same between 1SF and 1SG. Sounds like a better way to go compared to "Fly by night" Motors. The price sounds right, too. That's what I bought mine for 2 months ago. And, the 3.23 is no slouch and will save a bit of gas over the 3.42.

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    Re: This is right out of a movie...

    Quote Originally Posted by chazglenn3 View Post
    Wow...what a story! For the record, the brakes are the same between 1SF and 1SG. Sounds like a better way to go compared to "Fly by night" Motors. The price sounds right, too. That's what I bought mine for 2 months ago. And, the 3.23 is no slouch and will save a bit of gas over the 3.42.
    Cool!!!

    I thought, and it isn't logical, the SG had larger discs, but the 18" wheels were an option not dependent on package.

    If the 3.23 is 0.2 seconds slower to 60, I'll never notice. I will notice 1+ MPG,
    however, over the next 100K miles!

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    Re: This is right out of a movie...

    And it is a white diamond car!

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    Re: This is right out of a movie...

    Be sure it has the options you want. IMHO, the 18" wheels will handle better and the other options make for a different driving experience. Even the low ten-thousands is still a lot of money.

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    Re: This is right out of a movie...

    Yep, has everything I want, save for the extra, likely unnecessary, cooling fans, and the ZF steering gear, which I probably won't care about in a week.

    You get less-and-less picky when you're DD-ing a 16 year old Mercedes knocking on 200K miles.

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    Re: This is right out of a movie...

    I have driven both 1SF and 1SG cars and could not tell the difference between the steering gear. I also didn't think the difference in the leather was that pronounced. And installing larger wheels isn't a problem if you decide you need bigger wheels. Unless you are racing the car, the heavier duty cooling package won't be necessary either. 1SF cars have an upgraded cooling system also. I think these are the only differences between the packages.

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    Re: This is right out of a movie...

    WOO-HOO!!!

    Thanks!

    I had a feeling I'd not be able to notice steering difference. I'm sensitive, but not that sensitive, to feedback. I'd notice much, much more from tires.

    I've never liked the huge wheel/short sidewall craze. Where I drive, there are beat-up roads, railroad tracks, et cetera.

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    Re: This is right out of a movie...

    Quote Originally Posted by mckellyb View Post
    For curiosities sake, the VIN is 1G6DC67AX50137841 . 14 VIN 'records' is light years ahead of the last one's 39.

    Erk.
    I do hope you know most of the times those "records" are regular performed maintenance, emission testing etc. A well documented car with oil changes when needed is worth a hell of a lot more than one that shows to have it done once every few years...

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    Re: This is right out of a movie...

    Addendum:

    While I was mowing the yard, I asked my wife to call this guy, so we'd know when he'd be around, today. Mind you, he said he had to do this Monday or Tuesday.

    Turns out, he still owes money on it, so he doesn't have the title.

    Sigh....

    We'll see. I'm keeping my eyes peeled...for a "V", just in case.

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    Re: This is right out of a movie...

    Oh, I'm aware of that. However, the first one had so many records because of GM's buyback, it going through a few dealers/auctions, and every re-registration had a duplicate LEMON alert.

    My 16 year old Mercedes has fewer than that paperwork disaster.

    However, CarFax & Autocheck do not track maintenance, as you imply, only items related to insurance claims or the title/registration. Ergo, fewer are better.

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    Re: This is right out of a movie...

    I think you are going to love the car! This is the smoothest non-body on frame I have owned, and it is my favorite car thus far. A perfect mix of performance and comfort. Mine is a 3-year lease turn in that had 21,000 miles. I have put 30,000 on it with the only non-scheduled maintenance hiccup being an early throttle body cleaning to clear up the engine-light. My car is the performance luxury packaged 1SF with larger (JE5) brakes, cooling package, mesh grille, and every other option besides HUD, ACC. It came with staggered 17's, now my winter wheels/tires. Not sure about ZF steering gear, but the ratio seems to quicken when in MRC performance mode. As far as gear ratio, I would like the higher ratio for fuel economy. Since mine is a 2005 I think I have a different tranny altogether. I'm going to dig up the sticker. It pulls out and lights 'em up if you turn off the traction control, (Done that twice, but it's dumb!) I have cat back exhaust and an intake. If it's a N* you should love it.

    For my car oil change records are innacurate - I religously do Mobil 1 oil and filter Synthetic changes in my garage. Very few oil change records will show in 3+ years of ownership. My 6 year old car is a few rock scratches away from showroom condition.

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    Re: This is right out of a movie...

    Quote Originally Posted by mckellyb View Post
    Oh, I'm aware of that. However, the first one had so many records because of GM's buyback, it going through a few dealers/auctions, and every re-registration had a duplicate LEMON alert.

    My 16 year old Mercedes has fewer than that paperwork disaster.

    However, CarFax & Autocheck do not track maintenance, as you imply, only items related to insurance claims or the title/registration. Ergo, fewer are better.

    I run over 200 car faxes a month for the business I work for. I assure you, 80% are dealer visits for oil change, maintenance performed. Etc.

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    Re: This is right out of a movie...

    All I've ever seen on a CarFax/Autocheck report is ownership change, registration renewal, change of address on titles, state-mandated emissions testing, lemon buyback, damage repair (not all of those, either), and the like.

    There are folks on this board who are ultra helpful, and have access to the network of GM's records. That is as helpful, if not more so. You see recall items were inspected, servicing, et cetera.

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    Re: This is right out of a movie...

    Quote Originally Posted by mckellyb View Post
    All I've ever seen on a CarFax/Autocheck report is ownership change, registration renewal, change of address on titles, state-mandated emissions testing, lemon buyback, damage repair (not all of those, either), and the like.

    There are folks on this board who are ultra helpful, and have access to the network of GM's records. That is as helpful, if not more so. You see recall items were inspected, servicing, et cetera.
    You have been busy "almost" buying cars it seems

    For the record..you can go to any Cadillac dealer and they can give you the warranty work that has been done on the car

    Thats worth a lot more..IMO...than the carfax services etc
    Of dealing with a car that has been out of warranty for a long time poses a challenge...as GM does not like the dealers like Mercedes or Lexus, for example, where any dealer can see work that any dealer has done to the car...warranty or not

    And unfortunately...there cars don't get taken the dealer, after factory warranty, in the same numbers as Mercedes and Lexus owners do

    But anyway....keep seaching...you will find the car you want

    Interesting thing..on the 18 wheels...my car has them and the performance brakes, steering etc.and the 3.23 rear end...I don't there was another one offered on AWD V8s?


    Anyway...I really didn't care about the performance whatever...I just thought the 18" wheels look a lot better than the 17's do

    Also my understanding is the performance brakes are not much different from the standard brakes...though I can't say from experience as both cars I was considering had them


    Warren

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