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    Re: Goodbye, STS... It's the end of the road...

    I got a "Car and Driver" text alert a couple of days ago that said GM's is planning on putting 4 cylinder engines into both the ATS and the XTS. It didn't say if it would be an option or the base engine. I'm sure the 3.6 will still be available. Also, the XTS is going to be on the Buick LaCrosse platform.

    Cripes... I remember the day when Cadillac was "the leader" and then after a couple of years the other divisions would get the neat stuff. Not any more. GM is pushing Buick to be GM's leader and I believe it is because in China, anyone who has "made-it" or is a "wannabe" drives a Buick. They sell like hot cakes over there.

    I don't believe that GM is concerned about the American market, which is shrinking due to imports, they're concerned about the Chinese and global markets which are rapidly expanding. Those markets want Buicks, not Cadillacs.

    My prediction is that Cadillac and GMC will go the way of Oldsmobile & Pontiac, not soon, but I believe it's in the plans, especially GMC which I believe will be sooner, too much redundancy. Buick will be high end and Chevrolet will be for the masses. That is GM's future, IMHO.

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    Re: Goodbye, STS... It's the end of the road...

    Quote Originally Posted by Neutrocuted View Post
    I got a "Car and Driver" text alert a couple of days ago that said GM's is planning on putting 4 cylinder engines into both the ATS and the XTS. It didn't say if it would be an option or the base engine. I'm sure the 3.6 will still be available. Also, the XTS is going to be on the Buick LaCrosse platform.

    Cripes... I remember the day when Cadillac was "the leader" and then after a couple of years the other divisions would get the neat stuff. Not any more. GM is pushing Buick to be GM's leader and I believe it is because in China, anyone who has "made-it" or is a "wannabe" drives a Buick. They sell like hot cakes over there.

    I don't believe that GM is concerned about the American market, which is shrinking due to imports, they're concerned about the Chinese and global markets which are rapidly expanding. Those markets want Buicks, not Cadillacs.

    My prediction is that Cadillac and GMC will go the way of Oldsmobile & Pontiac, not soon, but I believe it's in the plans, especially GMC which I believe will be sooner, too much redundancy. Buick will be high end and Chevrolet will be for the masses. That is GM's future, IMHO.
    Good analysis. I tend to agree. I just bought a buick for the wife and so far its been a wonderful vehicle. Very high end fit and finish also.

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    Re: Goodbye, STS... It's the end of the road...

    Quote Originally Posted by EChas3 View Post
    I wouldn't be so sure. Washington is planning to 'punish oil companies' and will end up hurting us all with even highwe gas prices. It's hard to believe it isn't intentional; could anyone be so ignorant?
    You really think Cadillac is going to skip-out on the mid-size segment when the ATS comes along? They can either increase the size of the CTS to STS proportions or have an ATS and a CTS about the same size. Doesn't that sound a lot like the mistake they made with the CTS and STS? They were too close in size.. The next CTS will grow in size, features and price.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neutrocuted View Post
    I don't believe that GM is concerned about the American market, which is shrinking due to imports, they're concerned about the Chinese and global markets which are rapidly expanding. Those markets want Buicks, not Cadillacs.
    If I'm not mistaken, the XTS is being designed in Shanghai...
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    Re: Goodbye, STS... It's the end of the road...

    It's unfortunate that Cadillac let the STS just die-out like this. If the car had been continually updated like all of the others in it's class, I'm sure the car would have been more successful. As it has been shown though, GM is extremely slow to update cars and just let them wither and die without any kind of recognition. What's sad is the STS was the car that was supposed to be bring Cadillac back to the top of it's game, and unfortunately it never got that kind of attention. As it turns out, the Seville was preferred by many people even though it was FWD. That's really unfortunate, because the STS is a much better driving car.

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    Re: Goodbye, STS... It's the end of the road...

    Quote Originally Posted by ryannel2003 View Post
    It's unfortunate that Cadillac let the STS just die-out like this. If the car had been continually updated like all of the others in it's class, I'm sure the car would have been more successful. As it has been shown though, GM is extremely slow to update cars and just let them wither and die without any kind of recognition. What's sad is the STS was the car that was supposed to be bring Cadillac back to the top of it's game, and unfortunately it never got that kind of attention. As it turns out, the Seville was preferred by many people even though it was FWD. That's really unfortunate, because the STS is a much better driving car.
    The 2005 STS rolled out in 2005 behind the times
    It should have had an all new redesigned V8 to match the competitors and some systems like the Nav and voice activation were behind the competition
    They marketed the car as being able to "drive" like the germans and I don't think that was ever taken seriously by any perspective german buyer

    Then...they sold a lot of "cheap" leases to move cars and then they came back 2-3 years later at auctions at 30%( of sticker) wholesale values

    Then the car was never really updated...so even the levels of leasing ...past 2007...were way down

    I seriously doubt the 2005+ STS was a profitable car for GM

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    Re: Goodbye, STS... It's the end of the road...

    I will probably keep buying Sevilles until they all disappear.

    It was previously reported that the 2012 model year would be the last. Apparently 2011 is the end.

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    Re: Goodbye, STS... It's the end of the road...

    Sevilles stopped production in 2004. STS production appears to be 2005-2011.

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    Re: Goodbye, STS... It's the end of the road...

    Quote Originally Posted by Neutrocuted View Post

    I don't believe that GM is concerned about the American market, which is shrinking due to imports, they're concerned about the Chinese and global markets which are rapidly expanding. Those markets want Buicks, not Cadillacs.
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    I am not sure its has to do with the fact they are concerned about..as I think they are
    Its just that the luxury market in the US...has been expanding rapidly since the 80's...whittled even further down when the Japanese got very serious about it in the early 90's

    Now you have Lexus as the number one seller of luxury cars in the US

    I think the US car manufacturers play much better in the mid range sedan and truck category
    what you are seeing in the manufacturers playing to their strengths

    In a tight market...why continue to manufacture a car that you have to use a "give away" lease rate to move...and when it comes back from lease its worth 30% of retail

    How can that be profitable?

    Why not play( capitalize) in the products categories that are actually profitable?


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    Re: Goodbye, STS... It's the end of the road...

    Cadillac is also dropping the DTS which i loved them cars since i first saw one when i was very young, i would never buy a cadillac with anything less then an eight cylinder

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    Re: Goodbye, STS... It's the end of the road...

    Not really shedding any tears here. There have been plenty worse cars to come and go than the STS, but plenty better ones too.

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    Re: Goodbye, STS... It's the end of the road...

    Life is all about change. Enjoy the ride!

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    Re: Goodbye, STS... It's the end of the road...

    Quote Originally Posted by Slee_Stack View Post
    Not really shedding any tears here. There have been plenty worse cars to come and go than the STS, but plenty better ones too.
    I don't think it's so much about a model coming or going, but I believe that most of us on this forum really love our STS's and just wish that GM had put more effort into marketing and updating. Cadillac has a long list of firsts that I believe is, or should say was, a tradition that made Cadillac the leader. Cars are an emotional subject for car lovers, that's why we're here. Most people could give less than a rats a$$ about cars... they are devices that get them from a to b.

    I see that you use to have a 2005 STS. What are you driving now and how do you feel about it? (if you don't mind me asking)

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    Re: Goodbye, STS... It's the end of the road...

    What impact is that going to have on the STS and STS-V value lets say.. 5 years from now?

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    Re: Goodbye, STS... It's the end of the road...

    Quote Originally Posted by jordan00escalade View Post
    What impact is that going to have on the STS and STS-V value lets say.. 5 years from now?
    I don't know, but what I do know is if the price is right I surely will grab an STS-V in a heartbeat!

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    Re: Goodbye, STS... It's the end of the road...

    Quote Originally Posted by Neutrocuted View Post
    I don't know, but what I do know is if the price is right I surely will grab an STS-V in a heartbeat!
    you and me both.. The STS-V could be a classic one day (we decide)

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