Cadillac STS Forum - 2005 through 2012 Discussion, 2006 STS is it French? in Past Cadillac Vehicle Discussion; Originally Posted by Devil_concours in every single f'ing thread you made regarding size how european sedan has more room, we ...
- 07-22-04 11:46 PM #16
Re: Foreign Cars are crapOriginally Posted by Devil_concours
- 07-22-04 11:47 PM #17Cadillac Owners Connoisseur
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Re: Foreign Cars are crapOriginally Posted by jerseyvette
- 07-22-04 11:51 PM #18
Mini Cooper STS!Originally Posted by Chuck C
- 07-22-04 11:56 PM #19
Re: Mini Cooper STS!
Yes, rear seat room is a low priority right now with the tradeoffs being refinement and style. Show me who wrote the rule that says Cadillacs have to have a big back seat to be called a Cadillac. And why are you making comparisons/allusions to compact cars? It's not that bad, man.
- 07-22-04 11:58 PM #20
Ford 500Originally Posted by Chuck C
That 500 is what I was referring to: Slightly larger outside and much bigger and more functional inside. I guess Ford is proud to make American sized cars. Good post!
- 07-23-04 12:03 AM #21
Re: Mini Cooper STS!Originally Posted by Chuck C
I guess living in memories of the good ole roomy and fast caddy days may be over...
- 07-23-04 01:57 AM #22
Re: Mini Cooper STS!Originally Posted by jerseyvette
When I read your posts, OVER AND OVER saying the same thing, it reminds me of the other day. I was sitting on the couch and my 5 year old son kept kicking the kitchen table...after about 20 seconds I told him to stop...he kept kicking it...I told him louder...he kept kicking it...I finally yelled...he kept kicking it...I gave my final warning...he stopped...then started again, kicking it...over and over, on an on...If you're not a troll, you're the next closest thing...
Oh, yeah, in case anyone hasn't mentioned it, THE STS IS NOT THE BE-ALL END-ALL FLAGSHIP SUPER-ROOMY SUPER-LUXO sedan you think it's supposed to be!!! Basically, the STS has filled a nitch that cadillac never had. The old STS was basically a "slimmed" Deville, but it was *almost* the same size. The STS now fights the *middle* road between the CTS and the coming DTS. Were you also aware a BIG BOAT was planned for 2007-2008, a rear-drive boat like the 16 (but probably not a 16banger). Most STSs will run from $41k to $52K, with the Super sedans being in the high 50s, low 60s (low 60's get's you all the goodies). I think you were thinking that Cadillac was trying to just jump in with both feet, and I think you are gravely mistaken. I don't believe Cadillac thought or planned for the STS to just TAKE OVER the market segment. I think what they want to do, at least with this first major push (like they did with the CTS) is DRAW some of the segment, while still satisfying some of the loyal Cadillac buyers who wouldn't take a gander at the STS if it was too euro-luxo...You think Cadillac missed the boat, because you are thinking the STS was to be something it wasn't ever intended to be...
The DTS is supposed to be 4" longer than the current DTS, with an even longer wheelbase extention, as well as forward and aft adjusting and reclining rear seats. I think the DTS is what you were expecting the STS to be, but unfortunately, the MAIN market segment right that is so popular right now are the smaller cars. Todays Cadillac buyers, according to demographics, tend to own SUVs as second cars. The two MOST popular Cadillacs right now are the CTS and Escalade. The Deville and Seville can't be GIVEN away right now. We trade about 20% Devilles for CTSs these days. Not to say some people don't feel exactly as you do, but most don't.
- 07-23-04 08:10 AM #23
Re: 2006 STS is it French?
Finally i think you guys shut him up. Facts are facts and what you think of car is just an opinion.
- 07-23-04 11:09 AM #24
Re: Mini Cooper STS!Originally Posted by miscreant
- 07-23-04 12:04 PM #25
Re: 2006 STS is it French?
Writing as one who has felt the sting on a Jerseyvette reply (see thread "Price Styling Laacking.." (SIC), posts 81-82-83) I say thank you to Miscreant for his/her measured tone. To comment on the top of this thread, namely the the two photos posted, the only things I see in common are a roof, 4 doors, and 4 tires !
If you want rear legroom then get a DTS.
- 07-23-04 02:02 PM #26
The Truth Will Set You FreeOriginally Posted by megeebee
After posting here for a while and hearing your thoughts I have come to a few conclusions.
1) Those who think teh Deville is super roomy and at par with germany's large cars must have come from smaller cars in their driving history because the car is really not very big inside (regardless of what teh GM dealsers that support this site are trying to sell us on)
2) We all want to feel like "the style of the car we drive" was worth the investment. In case of CTS everyone hopes that the STS will make the car mnore exclusive, valuable and fancy. I did not mean to knock anyones hopes or esteem with my comments that own a CTS. I say it again and again that teh car is excellent in every category for the segment it is positioned in. The 2005 STS is where I feel the mistakes were made in the overall product. Again, we are in Amercia and have freedom of speech.
3) I still feel that since STS continues to shrink (not on an "inch here, 1/3 inch there level" but on a level to what other cars it is compared with like Acuras, 525i's etc) it is taking the brand and name STS into a smaller car category which can be SERIOUSLY damaging to what people think of when they see the badge. If GM was looking to comete in highly compact performance segments it moght have been a good idea to keep Cadillac as teh "luxury touring" brand and come out witha different brand for cars like STS and the V Series etc. When the RWD limousene type touring cars deceased at Cadillac it was a sign to us all that a segment was potentially dead for the American brand. Lincoln embraced this segment and are reaping the rewards for the livery and luxury sedan segment. Dollars to Dollars I feel that throwing away "people carrying RWD" cars was a very big mistake for the company because isf a Cadillac 16 comes back it is again in a hole to gain mindshare of customers for that segment. It would be like Mc Donalds choosing to stop selling hambergers for 10 years then deciding to come out with another one. This would lead to a reinventing marketing plan. The analogy holds true for teh space Lincoln has right now with Towncar, THE DEVILLE DOES NOT COMPETE HERE SEE THE SALE STATS AND LOOK ON THE ROADS .
4) I learned long ago that people's compensation plan dictates their behavior. Many "Supporting Members" here feel it is apropriate to call me a "troll" because I am in between buyers and their bank accounts. What I mean here is that why would you bash a 2005 STS critic unless you were looking to gain from the sale of the 2005 STS cars. A Caddy dealer would be the first person to shoot down criticism (think about it). I'm commenting for teh well being of teh Americans that buy the cars, shareholders and people that make money building cars that are positioned well. When a car is made cramped it is bad for America, Workers and Families that are stuck in that tiny back seat.
Bring it on!
- 07-23-04 02:04 PM #27
Re: 2006 STS is it French?Originally Posted by Slick V
- 07-23-04 02:20 PM #28
Re: 2006 STS is it French?
- 07-23-04 02:22 PM #29
Re: The Truth Will Set You FreeOriginally Posted by jerseyvette
...you flatter yourself.
- 07-23-04 02:36 PM #30
Re: 2006 STS is it French?Originally Posted by jerseyvette
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