jerseyvette said:
Whatever you are smoking please share it with the rest of us so that we can share the same version of "reality!"
1) NO SIGMA car is worth 60K anywhere in the world(now or in 10 years).
Why not? It is the best architecture that GM has ever put into production. It is also proving itself to be more formidable than some of the best that Germany has to offer in terms of rigidity and performance applications. Why not ask German sized prices?
2) The New STS (Which I have inspected closely in person here in NJ) is super-small looking and the interior is essentially a changed version of what you see in the CTS. Why 60K!!???!!! I just do not see where the rationale is for charging so much for the car.
I see them all the time here in Michigan (one of my neighbors has been driving one) and I drive a CTS. I can assure you that the interior looks very little like the one in the CTS. Other than the steering wheel, there is actually very little in common...
There is another thread on this forum somewhere that compares it to it's competition and it looks very nice when placed side by side. Go take a look.
3) The 2005 STS is a mid to smaller sized car from an interior size perspective. This was fine with the CTS because we all saw it as generally a competitor the the BMW 3 Series. It never really copeted wityh the E Class Mercedes or 5 Series BMW. These buyers were in a different segment. $40K is C CLass MB or 3 Series Beamer territoiry which CTS is really a great fit and value for. Now when you try to shove an enlarged body on a CTS SIGMA platform and slap a 545i price tag on it you HAVE TO BE NUTS.
The interior space of the CTS is almost identical to that of the 5 series. The STS gains a couple of inches in the rear and at the shoulders. If it is a 'smaller sized car', than so is everything else in the mid-sized luxury sport sedan class.
BMW 5-series
Leg Room(front)....................41.5
Leg Room (rear).....................36.0
Head Room(front)..................37.7
Head Room(rear)...................37.9
Shoulder Room(front).............57.3
Shoulder Room(rear)...............57.2
Cadillac CTS
Leg Room (front)...................42.4
Leg Room (rear)....................36.2
Head Room (front).................38.9
Head Room (rear)..................36.9
Shoulder Room (front)............56.6
Shoulder Room (rear)..............56.2
4) I am all around disappointed with the STS from a size and styling perspective. Even the 1992-1997 Seville was considered a bit bland at introduction by some but it is a hell of a car in style and in interior domensions.
There isn't a whole lot of difference in interior dimensions:
2004 SeVille
Leg room(front).....................42.5
Leg Room(front).....................38.2
Head Room(front)...................38.2
Head Room(rear)....................38.0
Shoulder Room(front)..............59.1
Shoulder Room(rear)...............58.0
2005 STS
Leg Room(front)...................42.6
Leg Room (rear)...................38.3
Head Room(front).................38.7
Head Room(rear)..................37.9
Shoulder Room(front)............58.6
Shoulder Room(rear)..............57.4
5) Maybe in Asia where people are smaller Caddy hopes to make a killing. But I'd see buyers over there going for a 300C type of shape over a 2005 STS Sigma shape.
Yeah, I notice how all of their companies' (Lexus, Acura, Honda, etc.)designs look like 300's...
Show me how you decided that asians prefer a '300 shape', because I see nothing like it over there...
Asia is just in
love with large cars too... :bonkers:
6) Since every other car that Cadillac makes is on the same platform the STS pricing should be more in line with a 2004 SLS for a 4 wheel drive 2005 STS.
Why when the 05 STS is better in every way than the 04 SLS? The two share nothing in common. An AWD 320hp version of the STS should cost no more than a FWD 275hp SLS?(and that's not even taking the rest of the improvements into account) Again, I question your logic...
By your platform-reasoning, a Crossfire would cost the same as the Mercedes it shares platforms with. An EXT would cost the same as the Avalanche. An XLR would cost no more than a Corvette. Etc, etc, etc.
Please respond after you look at the car in person.
I suggest you do the same, because based on your comments here I am very suspicious that you ever saw one up close...