Cadillac STS Forum - 2005 through 2010Forum for discussions regarding the new Sigma-based STS model. Not for Cadillac "Seville" discussions (2004 and older).
Imagine with me for a minute. Let's pretend that you are in France and I showed you this red Citroen. Now cose your eyes again and see this STS-V prototype. If I were to take the caddy badge off thsi car and tell you it was a 2006 Citroen wouldn't you believe me? l mean I really think Caddy is designing cars to atract a compact Euro Car type of buyer..
Imagine with me for a minute. Let's pretend that you are in France and I showed you this red Citroen. Now cose your eyes again and see this STS-V prototype. If I were to take the caddy badge off thsi car and tell you it was a 2006 Citroen wouldn't you believe me? l mean I really think Caddy is designing cars to atract a compact Euro Car type of buyer..
You are looking for every way possible to hate the STS. Under your name it says "Cadillac Fan", though you don't act like one. You say "The STS is smaller than XXXX car" then some posts actual dimensions that shows it longer, taller, and wider, and you make no comment, only to simply CONTINUE to go on saying it's smaller. You post pictures of an S500 with the seats all the way foward and then pictures of a DTS and STS with seats all the way back, and claim "look, the S500 is roomier".
You post pricing of the STS based on the top of the line models. The V6 starts just over $40k and the V8 starts at a little over $47k. The $55K+ cars are the ones with ALL the bells like adaptive cruise, nav, 5.1 surround sound. Your comparisons are off, you claim its smaller when it's not, and you compare it to a CTS when it's very different (other than the steering wheel center design, they look completely different inside!).
But I digress, judging by previous posts, you'll simply find some other reason to rag on the STS and other Cadillacs...
You are looking for every way possible to hate the STS. Under your name it says "Cadillac Fan", though you don't act like one. You say "The STS is smaller than XXXX car" then some posts actual dimensions that shows it longer, taller, and wider, and you make no comment, only to simply CONTINUE to go on saying it's smaller. You post pictures of an S500 with the seats all the way foward and then pictures of a DTS and STS with seats all the way back, and claim "look, the S500 is roomier".
You post pricing of the STS based on the top of the line models. The V6 starts just over $40k and the V8 starts at a little over $47k. The $55K+ cars are the ones with ALL the bells like adaptive cruise, nav, 5.1 surround sound. Your comparisons are off, you claim its smaller when it's not, and you compare it to a CTS when it's very different (other than the steering wheel center design, they look completely different inside!).
But I digress, judging by previous posts, you'll simply find some other reason to rag on the STS and other Cadillacs...
I LOVE GM and that is all I drive. I believe in giving positive reinforcement where appropriate and negative reinforcement as well. Teh CTS was overall a great design for thesegment (which I have echoed over and over and over again). The STS is really a car that I anticipated (when I saw early drawings) to be much more impressive looking (i.e. have design que's from the Cadillac 16 in some ways.
I am very proud of GM especially in quality achievements. Now the interior space issue is the crown they need to win back to again become the standard of the world. We don't need yes men at GM but people that will disrupt the flow when things take a turn for the worse (like we are seeing in the cramped inter iors as of late)..
It. Has. A. Larger. Interior. Than. The. Cars. You. Compared. It. To.
This has been detailed out many times now.
Do you even read anything anyone else posts?
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Like a magical machine keeps shrinking the car...see through the years..
Ohh STS.
Through The Years
We Really Shrunk You Down
We Shaved Your Nose off Round
I know am glad I have the smallest luxury car in town.
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I can't remember when I had some room
When I could fit more food, or clothes or people too.
I remember when cars were made for small and tall.
Together we'd fit all oh STS I'll always remember all the good years.
Verse Two:
STS Now you're small. You fit no one at all.
Remember when we all.
Respected those who designed the cars of.... yesteryear.
Those years are gone...through the years..(sigh sigh..wimper wimper)
Bairritz, Deville and Allante tooo...
Even if you were two
you still remember style, and form and grace.(daddy, mommy and even uncle Jimmy carrying a cold case) could fit in the back seeeeat...do do dee dee dee..
that's all gone, GM things were all wrong...
thinking that our legs are long, or people actually are biiger than five foot two.
By Jersey Vette (Original Kenny Rogers Cover Song)
2004 SeVille
Leg room(front).....................42.5
Leg Room(front).....................38.2
Head Room(front)...................38.2
Head Room(rear)....................38.0
Shoulder Room(front)..............59.1
Shoulder Room(rear)...............58.0
2005 STS
Leg Room(front)...................42.6
Leg Room (rear)...................38.3
Head Room(front).................38.7
Head Room(rear)..................37.9
Shoulder Room(front)............58.6
Shoulder Room(rear)..............57.4
Oh sh!t! We lost a whole tenth of an inch in rear headroom! A half inch in shoulder width! That means the seats are a quarter inch tighter than last year. OMFG, the world is coming to an end. Those damn penny pinchers at GM! Grr.
Nevermind that everywhere else the car is actually larger...
2004 SeVille
Leg room(front).....................42.5
Leg Room(front).....................38.2
Head Room(front)...................38.2
Head Room(rear)....................38.0
Shoulder Room(front)..............59.1
Shoulder Room(rear)...............58.0
2005 STS
Leg Room(front)...................42.6
Leg Room (rear)...................38.3
Head Room(front).................38.7
Head Room(rear)..................37.9
Shoulder Room(front)............58.6
Shoulder Room(rear)..............57.4
Oh sh!t! We lost a whole tenth of an inch in rear headroom! A half inch in shoulder width! That means the seats are a quarter inch tighter than last year. OMFG, the world is coming to an end. Those damn penny pinchers at GM! Grr.
Nevermind that everywhere else the car is actually larger...
You just proved all of my points in one sentence. Trimming space on the bumper or on teh hood is one thing but when that extra half inch makes or breaks the whole experience it is all over. Maybe Lincoln will come out witha real car with room. I'll pray and wait
It's a tenth of an inch in rear headroom for F!sake. You gain that exact tenth back in legroom. If that makes the difference to you, take the pole out of your a$$ and slouch a bit, k?
Better yet, sit in front. It's a tenth better in leg room and a full half inch more in headroom. Pull out the stats for your beloved foreign cars you keep saying it's smaller than. You'll be surprised.
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