Price High Styling Laacking 2005 STS/ E 500

[Devil_concours]

Interior Dimensions (deville) (s500)
Head Room (front) (in.) 39.1 37.6
Head Room (rear) (in.) 38.4 38.4
Hiproom (front) (in.) 56.4 Not Listed
Hiproom (rear) (in.) 56.7 Not Listed
Leg Room (front) (in.) 42.4 41.3
Leg Room (rear) (in.) 43.2 40.3
Shoulder Room (front) (in.) 60.4 59.2
Shoulder Room (rear) (in.) 60.1 58.3
Cargo Volume (mfr.) (cu. ft.) 19.1 15.4
According to my math deville has far more room than s500 in just about every category.

[miscreant]

Originally Posted by jerseyvette

Now here is the STS interior. imagine being stuck back here for a 4 hour car ride if you were above 6' tall..life would stink!

What I notice is that the DTS seats are all the way back and tilted back, as well as the STS's. But the S500 seats are forward. I have BEEN IN an S500, it's not any more roomy than a DTS.

[jerseyvette]

Originally Posted by Devil_concours

Interior Dimensions (deville) (s500)
Head Room (front) (in.) 39.1 37.6
Head Room (rear) (in.) 38.4 38.4
Hiproom (front) (in.) 56.4 Not Listed
Hiproom (rear) (in.) 56.7 Not Listed
Leg Room (front) (in.) 42.4 41.3
Leg Room (rear) (in.) 43.2 40.3
Shoulder Room (front) (in.) 60.4 59.2
Shoulder Room (rear) (in.) 60.1 58.3
Cargo Volume (mfr.) (cu. ft.) 19.1 15.4
According to my math deville has far more room than s500 in just about every category.

I never busted on the shape of the exterior of teh Deville..the car is awesome looking. Just too small in headroom and front knee room..

[Devil_concours]

Originally Posted by jerseyvette

I never busted on the shape of the exterior of teh Deville..the car is awesome looking. Just too small in headroom and front knee room..

i guess you're little TOO TALL for s class since it has less room in the front than the deville. And i didn't say anything about the exterior. Look at the numbers and title and post again.

[miscreant]

Originally Posted by miscreant

...With ALL available options, tops out mid 60K. This is a versatile priced car, starting in the low 40s and ending in the mid 60s...

The STS in many pictures looks small, and that's because it's TALL. It's taller than a current deville.

The STS: 4" longer wheel base, 7" longer overall, 1.3" wider, and .5" taller.

Let me repeat this:

The STS is 4" longer wheel base, 7" longer overall, 1.3" wider, and .5" taller than the E500.

[wow1]

That's the secret that people shopping on the internet miss. A caddy dealer can give you up to a 15% discount after a car has been introduced for about six weeks. Try to find that at one of "silver paint" dealerships.

[gothicaleigh]

Be careful... Caddy likes to advertise in 'silver paint' now too...

Also, I would like to see where you can get a 15% discount on a CTS-V or an XLR...
Mmm... CTS-Vs for $42k... XLRs for below $60k... Introduce me to your dealer.

[miscreant]

Originally Posted by wow1

That's the secret that people shopping on the internet miss. A caddy dealer can give you up to a 15% discount after a car has been introduced for about six weeks. Try to find that at one of "silver paint" dealerships.

That's not true of the newest designed cars. It was two years before the Escalades really got discounted, the CTS still isn't heavily discounted (and still going strong), the SRX even while not selling as great as Cadillac had hoped, is still not heavily discounted. Then throw the CTS-V and XLR into the mix

[b4z]

jerseyvette & devil_concours,

Measurements don't tell the whole story on legroom.
The current STS/Seville and Deville simply do not have the legroom/kneeroom of the previous models.
Knee bolsters are closer than they have ever been and I hardly fit in either car much less get comfortable.

I drive a SRX because of this, and because of it's 41" of rear legroom!

Gm is the only company I know that can extend the wheelbase of it's cars and have LESS legroom than the previous model.

Hopefull the STS will have the CTS/SRX legroom and some additional rear legroom, although mag tests have said rear legroom is somewhat lacking.

Even though the wheelbase is 3" more than the CTS.

[Devil_concours]

Originally Posted by b4z

jerseyvette & devil_concours,

Measurements don't tell the whole story on legroom.
The current STS/Seville and Deville simply do not have the legroom/kneeroom of the previous models.
Knee bolsters are closer than they have ever been and I hardly fit in either car much less get comfortable.

I drive a SRX because of this, and because of it's 41" of rear legroom!

Gm is the only company I know that can extend the wheelbase of it's cars and have LESS legroom than the previous model.

Hopefull the STS will have the CTS/SRX legroom and some additional rear legroom, although mag tests have said rear legroom is somewhat lacking.

Even though the wheelbase is 3" more than the CTS.

When i first saw the cts interior i thought to myself wtf are they thinking. It looked like i will be able to sit in them barely. I then sat in one and realized that looks are deceiving. I fit in one comfortably and i still had room left.(i'm ONLY 6'2")

[Brett]

i drove an s500 for a couple days about 9 months ago. the rear seat and front seat were NOT as roomy as a DTS. In fact i found the E500 to have more front legroom than the S.

Also the S500 base price is ~85k, so for 40k higher base price than a Deville I would expect a little more legroom, even though i dont believe you get it

[jerseyvette]

Originally Posted by Devil_concours

When i first saw the cts interior i thought to myself wtf are they thinking. It looked like i will be able to sit in them barely. I then sat in one and realized that looks are deceiving. I fit in one comfortably and i still had room left.(i'm ONLY 6'2")

I overall love the CTS and it is positioned perfectly. The V Series is really a great car as well and I would buy one if I did not ahve so much highway and stop and go driving to do for work.

Do you know if there are any spy pics of the 2006 DTS? What platform will it share?

Have a great day!

[jerseyvette]

Originally Posted by b4z

jerseyvette & devil_concours,

Measurements don't tell the whole story on legroom.
The current STS/Seville and Deville simply do not have the legroom/kneeroom of the previous models.
Knee bolsters are closer than they have ever been and I hardly fit in either car much less get comfortable.

I drive a SRX because of this, and because of it's 41" of rear legroom!

Gm is the only company I know that can extend the wheelbase of it's cars and have LESS legroom than the previous model.

Hopefull the STS will have the CTS/SRX legroom and some additional rear legroom, although mag tests have said rear legroom is somewhat lacking.

Even though the wheelbase is 3" more than the CTS.

Let's have a party because you and I are in 100% agreement. Regardless of what dealers that bash my posts are saying. AMEN I say AMEN!

[Devil_concours]

Originally Posted by jerseyvette

I overall love the CTS and it is positioned perfectly. The V Series is really a great car as well and I would buy one if I did not ahve so much highway and stop and go driving to do for work.

Do you know if there are any spy pics of the 2006 DTS? What platform will it share?

Have a great day!

http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...&sid=178&n=158

Even under this heavy camouflage, one can see - inside and out - that the 2006 DeVille will borrow styling cues from the Cadillac Sixteen concept car.

[Caddy Man]

Originally Posted by Devil_concours

http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...&sid=178&n=158

looks as if it will have the long and narrow headlights, like the Sixteen does, probybaly a similiar grill...but the entire side of the car (A,B,C pillars, doors) is EXACTLY THE SAME as the current deville. Looks like interior and front and rear are getting the design change.