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I must have gotten a bad batch of gas. At stoplights the car chokes then recovers. I have had problems with his particular brand of gas before in a Pontiac Grand Prix.

I was wondering what octane is best to use? I have been putting in 89. Here in the midwest, most stations carry 87-89-91. I was wondering if I should start putting in 91 in the future (and a different brand obviously).

Anyone else have their car choke at stop lights?

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Re: What Octane gas is best?

Well, you have the V8. And it is recommended that you use premium (91 octane) with this engine.
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Re: What Octane gas is best?

You have the V8.
I have always used premium in my STS V8 from several sources and never had a problem...between 91 and 93 octane.
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Re: What Octane gas is best?

I started out at 91 and even fell for V-Power 93 from Shell for a time in my V8. One day I was low and the Exxon station I pulled into only had regular. I took a tank full and never looked back. The car runs exactly the way it did on high octane, same mileage, idles so smooth I sometimes can't tell it's running. I know nobody drives these cars to save money but with the price of gas these days but it adds up. Not to mention all my previous Northstars recommended regular.
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Re: What Octane gas is best?

It only seems to run fine because the sensors detect detonation and retard the timing. This means DETONATION HAS ALREADY OCCURRED. THIS IS BAD. Use 91+ and nothing else on a RWD Northstar. 2000+ FWD Northstars specify regular due to a lower compression ratio. They are NOT the exact same engine.

Also, when you factor in tank and transport contamination, that 91 sometimes gets diluted down to 90. Going for 92-93 can't hurt.

Also, as gas prices rise, upgrading premium only gets CHEAPER! The difference of 20% back when regular was $1.00 is now only 5-15%.
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87 is ok

I had a 2000 sts, got in 2002 and just got a 2005 (dec) and have only put in 87, call me cheap - but i have had no problems at all . I have put 91 and 93 in during the cold months and gas antifreeze. NO PROBLEMS AT ALL.....
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Re: What Octane gas is best?

I don't want to get into a big thing here but what does front or rear wheel drive have to do with compression of the engine? My 02 Seville 300HP specified 87. My 05 STS 325HP wants 91. Sorry I am not drinking that cool aid for a 25HP difference.
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Re: What Octane gas is best?

It's amazing that some folks don't want to spend an extra buck or 2 on a fillup, then others don't trust the oil life monitor and waste money on synthetic oil changes at 3K miles. I would just follow the instructions for fuel and maintenance that came with the car.
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Re: What Octane gas is best?

It's amazing that some folks think the difference is a buck or two on a fillup and believe everything they read in the owners manual. Check the price of gas and assuming your father is not buying your gas, the difference can be somewhere between 50 and 100 dollars a month. That cash looks pretty good in my pocket every month.
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Re: What Octane gas is best?

Yea...guess they should do the same thing they did back in the mid '70's when the switch was made from regular to unleaded gas. Make the nozzle at the pump a diffenent size to force people to put the right gas in their car. Even if it costs a few pennies more.

Amazing to me that people complain about a premium gas requirement in a $50K car. Even if you didn't pay that much, it's still an expensive car. Maintenance is expensive, insurance is expensive, repairs are expensive...it's an expensive car.

I gave my daughter a 2004 Monte Carlo Supercharged for her graduation (much less than $50K) and she complains about having to put the "expensive" gas in it...but I can kind of see the point from someone who is 19 years old and paying for their own gas.

If anyone is spending $50 - $100 a month just to put premium in a V8 STS, you're driving it a lot. Assuming this, you would have to fill up every day of the week. ($3 per tank x 7 days a week x 4 weeks per month = $84 per month) I'm jelous, wish I put this kind of windshield time on my STS. If looking for economy, the STS V8 is the wrong choice regardless of the fuel.

Back in 1975, if you busted out the filler tube on your gas tank you could fill up on the less expensive "leaded" regular...and the car would run just fine too. Today we don't have that problem, just push the 87 button and you're all set. Put whatever you want in it, it's your car. Personally, I'll spend less than $150 PER YEAR for the premium.

BTW the owners manual was written by the company that made the car. I doubt that GM is getting a kick back from anyone for recommending 91 octaine in the STS V8. More likely, the enginge was designed to use high octaine fuel. And they just may have more than a clue about its operation; outside of what it takes to just make it go down the road.

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Re: What Octane gas is best?

Use regular gas at fillup and add "Seafoam" in gas every oil change.


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Re: What Octane gas is best?

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I don't want to get into a big thing here but what does front or rear wheel drive have to do with compression of the engine? My 02 Seville 300HP specified 87. My 05 STS 325HP wants 91. Sorry I am not drinking that cool aid for a 25HP difference.
The Northstar went through a few changes when it was revised for the new RWD Cadillacs. Its not the exact same engine as the lower-compression one that preceded it in the 2000+ Seville and Deville.
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Re: What Octane gas is best?

Here's how I see it......

We can put whatever gas we want in our cars. It will still go! However, like Jesda says, these are high compression engines now and Cadillac recommends the use of premium gas to achieve maximum performance (unless you bought the V6, which use of regular is fine). We knew this when we bought this $55,000+ car. And then what happens a year down the road and you start to have mechanical issues with the engine and it ends up being a result of detenation/engine knocking and we all then start to complain because the car has to be in service for a bad engine (possible out of pocket expenses because it won't be covered under warrenty) and we blame GM/Cadillac. When they were the one's to print in the owners manual that premium is strongly recommended and the use of regular could cause damage to the engine. Again.....each of us can use whatever octane we want....just be prepared if damage occurs. And seriously, I don't mean to be a pain, but if we can afford payments ranging from 600-800, we should be able to afford the premium gas to put in it. Just my opinions here! :-)
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Re: What Octane gas is best?

I am on my second v8 Sigma based STS. I have not put premium in the 05 or the 07 and the vehicles have performed just fine. I supposed if I owned the vehicle instead of leasing I may change my mind. However, if you go on the Cadillac web site and look under DTS specifications, then click Powertrain and look under "fuel recommended" it states "premium unleaded". Perform the same search on the STS and it does not recommend a fuel grade, perhaps this is due to the V6.
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Re: What Octane gas is best?

With a modern, computer moderated engine that can/will easily mask any symptoms until damage is far along I personaly have decided to error on the side of caution and run nothing but 91 octane fuel from a "Top Tier" providor through mine.

That said, I certainly respect that folks will do whatever they feel most comfortable with and we all make decisions based on our knowledge, experience, environment and upbringing.

So in the spirit of good discussion and debate while dealing from a basis of fact, here is the actual paragraph(s) as listed in the 06 & 05 manuals (I do not have the 07). The recommendations are slightly different than some previous posts and so I list them for clarification towards a healthy debate/discussion...

I'll just sit over here and watch...

2006 STS/STS-V Manual:

Gasoline Octane
If your vehicle has the 3.6L V6 engine (VIN Code 7),
use regular unleaded gasoline with a posted octane
rating of 87 or higher. For best performance or trailer
towing, you may choose to use middle grade 89 octane
unleaded gasoline. If the octane rating is less than
87, you may notice an audible knocking noise when you
drive, commonly referred to as spark knock. If this
occurs, use a gasoline rated at 87 octane or higher as
soon as possible. If you are using gasoline rated at
87 octane or higher and you hear heavy knocking, your
engine needs service.
If your vehicle has the 4.6L V8 engine (VIN Code A),
use premium unleaded gasoline with a posted octane
rating of 91 or higher. You may also use regular
unleaded gasoline rated at 87 octane or higher, but
your vehicle’s acceleration may be slightly reduced, and
you may notice a slight audible knocking noise,
commonly referred to as spark knock. If the octane is
less than 87, you may notice a heavy knocking
noise when you drive. If this occurs, use a gasoline
rated at 87 octane or higher as soon as possible.
Otherwise, you might damage your engine. If you are
using gasoline rated at 87 octane or higher and you hear
heavy knocking, your engine needs service.
If your vehicle has the 4.4L V8 engine (VIN Code D),
use premium unleaded gasoline with a posted
octane rating of 91 or higher. For best performance, use
premium unleaded gasoline with a posted octane
rating of 93. In an emergency, you can use regular
unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 87 or higher.
If 87 octane fuel is used, do not perform any aggressive
driving maneuvers such as wide open throttle
applications. You may also hear audible spark knock
during acceleration. Refill your tank with premium fuel as
soon as possible to avoid damaging your engine. If
you are using gasoline rated at 91 octane or higher and
you hear heavy knocking, your engine needs service.

2005 STS Manual:

Gasoline Octane
If your vehicle has the 3.6L V6 engine, use regular
unleaded gasoline with a posted octane of 87 or higher.
However, for best performance and for trailer towing,
you may wish to use middle grade or premium unleaded
gasoline. If the octane is less than 87, you may get a
heavy knocking noise when you drive. If this occurs, use
a gasoline rated at 87 octane or higher as soon as
possible. Otherwise, you might damage your engine.
If your vehicle has the 4.6L V8 engine, use premium
unleaded gasoline with a posted octane of 91 or higher
for best performance. You may also use middle
grade or regular unleaded gasoline rated at 87 octane
or higher, but your vehicle’s acceleration may be slightly
reduced. If the octane is less than 87, you may get a
heavy knocking noise when you drive. If this occurs, use
a gasoline rated at 87 octane or higher as soon as
possible. Otherwise, you might damage your engine.
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