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    Re: Dipstick - - V6 vs V8

    My 07 V8 dipstick is as described in the 07 manual for the V8. It also is the same as what PROF showed with his 09 manual and dipstick. And when I have my oil changed, the crankcase takes exactly the amount of oil as required for a change (with a filter change) to show "full" on the dipstick.

    BUT TIME OUT!!!!!!!! What does this all mean? Nothing.

    We can't all assume that the V6 and V8 dipsticks are interchangeable. N7 and Phoenix are correct about measuring the length of the two dipsticks from the cross-hatched point to the base of the dipsticks.

    Consider this, however. Regardless of measuring the two tipsticks from base to the cross-hatch to determine if the dipsticks are interchangeable, how do we know that either one or both dipsticks are the proper length in the first place in the correct vehicles for a true full reading? For all we know, we have been running low, right on the money, or overfilled, even with the correct dipstick in either vehicle, assuming the lengths and the markings were correct in the first place.

    I can imagine more than a few GM service techs and engineers are rolling their eyes at this thread and our challenging these things. But I'll bet they are all making the same assumption we have all been making........that the dipsticks are functionally correct in length and markings and correctly measure a true, full oil level.

    Timing chains failures in the V6? I have been thinking inadequate lubrication for some time, but I was mentally attributing the failures to a lubrication design flaw in the engine block, or a slight chain/pulley misalignment on some of the vehicles when even the newer redesigned chains weren't working out for some folks.

    Someone at GM assigned way back when to investigate the GenI V6 timing chain failures must have some insight into whether there was/is a problem with the dipstick length and/or markings (and hence oil level) and not with the block, the chains, or the chain alignment.

    No? This is one thread I am going to be following very closely.

    PJ

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    Re: Dipstick - - V6 vs V8

    I can further complicate the issue............ not only are the p/n's different between the 07 and 08 dipsticks, so is the p/n for the tube. So the dipsticks could be different lengths but still corectly measure the oil level. I have no info what the differences are, if any, between the 07 and 08 tubes. As has been mentioned by Chris, the best approach is after an oil change, using the correct amount of oil, record where it is on the dipstick. You might look at drilling a 1/16" hole at that point. (not all the way thru) I've found the holes in the dipstick will retain oil if filled to that level. Not fool proof but helps

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    Re: Dipstick - - V6 vs V8

    I'm surprised that GM hasn't responded to owner's concerns about this issue. If they have corrected
    the timing chain problem, the least they can do is let those of us with the 3.6 V6 in on it so we can address it ourselves if they feel they can't afford to do it under warranty.
    I know this: The old goats are crazy if they think I would buy any new vehicle with that engine as it's power plant.

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    Re: Dipstick - - V6 vs V8

    I still think if you look at total production numbers of the V6 vs failures I bet it is quite small.

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    Re: Dipstick - - V6 vs V8

    My 2004 "flat with a twist" stick is 17 and 5/16 inches from the shoulder that seats on the tube to the verified full mark - essentially the top of the crosshatch.

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    Re: Dipstick - - V6 vs V8

    For part number 12595327 and 12611594.

    12611594 is for 2008-2009 SRX 3.6 V6 and 12595327 is for 2004-2007 however, after a quick search 12595327 are used as well in 2009-2011 vehicles across other product lines. 12611594 is used in 2008-2011 vehicles. Rippy or someone can verfy my findings.

    You may also note that the 2005-07 CTS 2.8L V6 and 2004-2005 - Buick - Rendezvous V6 - 3.4L also use 12595327.
    I believe this is because they have the same oil pan sizes as the 3.6L.


    I think the 2 part numbers are just different suppliers or production runs.


    Part 12595327

    2005-2007 - CADILLAC - CTS V6 - 2.8L
    2004-2007 - CADILLAC - CTS V6 - 3.6L
    2004-2007 - CADILLAC - SRX V6 - 3.6L
    2005-2007 - CADILLAC - STS V6 - 3.6L
    2009-2011 - CHEVROLET - MALIBU LT V6 - 3.6L
    2009-2011 - CHEVROLET - MALIBU LTZ V6 - 3.6L
    2009 - CHEVROLET - TRAVERSE LS LLT-V6 - 3.6L
    2009 - CHEVROLET - TRAVERSE LT LLT-V6 - 3.6L
    2009 - CHEVROLET - TRAVERSE LTZ LLT-V6 - 3.6L
    2008-2009 - BUICK - ENCLAVE CX LLT-V6 - 3.6L
    2008-2009 - BUICK - ENCLAVE CXL LLT-V6 - 3.6L
    2005-2008 - BUICK - LACROSSE CXS V6 - 3.6L
    2006 - BUICK - RENDEZVOUS CX V6 - 3.6L
    2006 - BUICK - RENDEZVOUS CXL V6 - 3.6L
    2004-2005 - BUICK - RENDEZVOUS V6 - 3.4L
    2005 - BUICK - RENDEZVOUS CXL PLUS V6 - 3.6L
    2004-2005 - BUICK - RENDEZVOUS ULTRA V6 - 3.6L
    2009 - GMC - ACADIA SLE LLT-V6 - 3.6L
    2009 - GMC - ACADIA SLT LLT-V6 - 3.6L
    2007-2008 - GMC - ACADIA SLE V6 - 3.6L
    2007-2008 - GMC - ACADIA SLT V6 - 3.6L


    Part 12611594


    2008-2009 - CADILLAC - SRX V6 - 3.6L
    2011 - CADILLAC - CTS LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2010 - CADILLAC - CTS PERFORMANCE LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2010 - CADILLAC - CTS PREMIUM LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2008-2009 - CADILLAC - CTS V6 - 3.6L
    2008-2009 - CADILLAC - CTS LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2008-2010 - CADILLAC - STS LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2008-2009 - CADILLAC - STS PLATINUM LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2010-2011 - BUICK - ENCLAVE CX LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2010-2011 - BUICK - ENCLAVE CXL LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2010-2011 - BUICK - LACROSSE CXS LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2011 - BUICK - LACROSSE CXL LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2010-2011 - CHEVROLET - CAMARO LS LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2010-2011 - CHEVROLET - CAMARO LT LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2010-2011 - CHEVROLET - TRAVERSE LS LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2010-2011 - CHEVROLET - TRAVERSE LT LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2010-2011 - CHEVROLET - TRAVERSE LTZ LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2010-2011 - GMC - ACADIA SL LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2010-2011 - GMC - ACADIA SLE LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2010-2011 - GMC - ACADIA SLT LLT V6 - 3.6L
    2011 - GMC - ACADIA DENALI - LLT V6 - 3.6L



    Anyway, Here is some engine information.

    2004-2012 LY7

    The 3.6L 3564 cc version. It has a 10.2:1 compression ratio, a bore of 3.70 in (94.0 mm) and a stroke of 3.37 in (85.6 mm). Used in the SRX and others.

    2008-2012 LLT

    The 3.6L High Feature LLT engine is 3564 cc. Has a compression ratio of 11.4:1 is a direct injected version based on the earlier LY7 engine. This version claims to have 15 percent greater power, 8 percent greater torque, and 3 percent better fuel economy.


    2010-2011 LF1

    Is a 3.0L SIDI engine used in the SRX and others but now it appears will be a LFX for 2012.

    2012-2014 LFX

    Enhanced version of the 3.6L LLT engine. Is lighter than the LLT. Power and torque are more than the LLT. The compression ratio is 11.5:1.
    This is not in the list but is for the SRX,CTS,ATS,XTS,Camaro,Impala,Lacrosse.




    The LY7 engine is the one with the timing chain problem I believe and was used in the SRX and other products from 2004-2009. The LLT engine came out in 2008 but was not used in the SRX but was used in the 2008-2011 STS and CTS, also some 2008-2009 CTS's also had the LY7.

    Part 12611594 is for the 08-09 srx and 08-09 CTS LY7 engine.

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    Re: Dipstick - - V6 vs V8

    So in posts #6 and #35 we have measurements of the flat (with a twitst) v6 style dipstick at either 17 1/4 inches or 17 5/16 inches from the tube seat to full mark

    does anyone have a measurement of the v8 style used in a v6 for a 2004-2007???
    and also for a 2008-2009??
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    Re: Dipstick - - V6 vs V8

    I've been perusing this forum for a while dreaming about owning a Cadillac some day. I just registered due to this post. My wife and i bought a 70,000 mile 2008 SRX4 with the 3.6. The engine was replaced before i bought it. It came off lease return.

    The dipstick has the v8 style barrel one. I'm as confused as many others on here.

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    I've been perusing this forum for a while dreaming about owning a Cadillac some day. I just registered due to this post. My wife and i bought a 70,000 mile 2008 SRX4 with the 3.6. The engine was replaced before i bought it. It came off lease return.

    The dipstick has the v8 style barrel one. I'm as confused as many others on here.

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    Re: Dipstick - - V6 vs V8

    Did it ever occur to you dipstick engineers that the oil sloshes around all over the place as you accelerate, stop, climb hills, go around corners, and park on a slope? The volume of oil varies drastically as it heats and expands as well as cools and shrinks. The least of your worries is micrometer measurements on a dipstick that also expands and contracts with temperature as does the sump itself. You're stomping on pissants as elephants are running up and down the halls.
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    Re: Dipstick - - V6 vs V8

    I think we are confusing the issue with facts...... does anyone with an 07 or earlier V6 have the V8 cable style dipstick? It appears there was a part number change starting with the 08 MY. It's likely the 08 and later engines get the cable style dipstick. I don't think we know if they are interchangeable. Even if the flat and cable style are different lengths the difference could be accomodated by a diffenent length tube. As I posted earlier, there is a tube part number change starting with the 08 MY. It would have been "nice" if the owners' manual were updated.... including the mysterious and non-existance cell phone holder mentioned in the manual!

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    Re: Dipstick - - V6 vs V8

    ski said
    "You're stomping on pissants as elephants are running up and down the halls."

    40 n7don_srx said
    "I don't think we know if they are interchangeable."

    This isn't the first thread about this issue and we still don't know if they are interchangeable....................

    When you are dodging the elephants, the pissants are about the only things you can hope to gain some control over. However, to give you your due you are correct, certainly about the sloshing oil (or lack thereof).

    Bill

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    Re: Dipstick - - V6 vs V8

    Lets see what Katie comes up with.

    She has connections we can't get to.

    More then likely, GM changed the dipstick design without telling anyone, or changing the book.

    My concern was wonderment on if the stick was accidentally switch with another car, and if there was the potential of error in level readings. You guys have confirmed that "switched" is not the case, and in fact, others have like sticks.

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    Re: Dipstick - - V6 vs V8

    Hi all! Thank you for your patience; I escalated the question to our Technical Assistance team after discussing some details with Professor Wizard, and I just heard back from them.

    Our Technical Assistance Center confirmed the engine oil level dipstick for the 2009 3.6 LY7 engine for the SRX more closely resembles the illustration in the owner’s manual of the V8 engine oil level dipstick. They agreed that it appears to be an incorrect illustration in the owner’s manual. So, I am happy to report that they did look in a 2010 SRX owner’s manual and this illustration has been removed. We greatly apologize for the confusion!

    Hope this helps,

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    Re: Dipstick - - V6 vs V8

    Thanks so much Katie, this clears up a lot of confusion and creates confidence that we indeed have the correct dipsticks in our 2008-2009 vehicles.

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    Re: Dipstick - - V6 vs V8

    Well, it's your own fault. You should have bought the earlier model.

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