Another Nav diagnostic code

[sgilbert]

Well said!!

SonarTech for President----oops, too late for that! How 'bout Chairman of FCC?

[tiranga008]

Sonartech.. wow that was some read.. but I think I still want that updated DVD.. Microsoft is screwing us in many different ways elsewhere (sneaking on your PC to send out vital information about you and then selling that to marketing companies)... making sure that we end up using their software and renew that at incredible prices.... so.... that MSFT analogy did not quite fly ... as for Onstar... I agree.. its not worth the money they charge.. but the DVD... and the NAV systems.. I think those are great... saved me many a time so far..

[SonarTech]

Originally Posted by tiranga008

Sonartech.. wow that was some read.. but I think I still want that updated DVD.. Microsoft is screwing us in many different ways elsewhere (sneaking on your PC to send out vital information about you and then selling that to marketing companies)... making sure that we end up using their software and renew that at incredible prices.... so.... that MSFT analogy did not quite fly ... as for Onstar... I agree.. its not worth the money they charge.. but the DVD... and the NAV systems.. I think those are great... saved me many a time so far..

Well, I don't at all agree with your comments regarding Microsoft, but to each his own. All I can tell you is that Microsoft has charged $100 for every copy of consumer Windows from 95 to Me. Only for XP did the price increase very slightly. So Bill Gates insulated people like you from inflation for many, many years. Interesting to see how that doesn't seem to amount to anything when you want to bash Microsoft. Nor does anyone seem to care to mention that Microsoft Windows is the most pirated software on the planet. Further, I find it interesting that you think Microsoft even cares about "sneaking up on your PC" to send out "vital" information to "someone". With the hundreds of millions of Windows installations in the world, do you seriously think someone wouldn't see Microsoft doing that? Are you kidding? Microsoft Windows is the world's most closely-examined software - and you're going to sit there and try to tell me that they're "sneaking" vital info off your machine? Yeah, whatever. Like I said, to each his own. Finally, no one said you "had" to use Windows, and no one "makes" you upgrade. That dog won't hunt, buddy. If you hate Microsoft so much, don't buy, install or use their software. Microsoft IS a monopoly - but you need to blame the software pirates of the world for making Bill Gates rich.

SonarTech

[SonarTech]

Originally Posted by sgilbert

Well said!!

SonarTech for President----oops, too late for that! How 'bout Chairman of FCC?

Have you noticed that smart people don't run for president anymore? The last one that tried (Elizabeth Dole) looked into it and said to herself "who on Earth would want that kind of privacy invasion to be President??" While it might not be the worse job on the planet, it's certainly not on my list of things to do. As for the FCC, well, all I can say is that Japan's got some INCREDIBLE electronics for sale because they don't have an FCC. In my opinion, the FCC stifles innovation in much the same way the Copyright laws do. Current policy: "More government, less innovation" and their current slogan: "Why innovate when you can litigate?"

SonarTech

[Johnz]

In my opinion there's no comparison from what Microsoft charges to upgrade an operating system and what Caddilac charges to upgrade your Nav system. Microsoft sells multi millions of those .25 CD's and as far as pirated software, you are right Sonartech but it is not that easy to pirate anymore for the "average" user. They put a pretty good stop to that as they should.

$270 is not a small amount of money to a lot of people, me included but I think it's worth it for the upgrade if it has been improved. Is there a better system out there? Of course there always is but this is what was in the car when we bought it and we ALL knew it. At least we all should should have known it and if it was that important to someone and they hate it that much then they should have ordered it without it.

Pushing a buttun when I get in the car is not a big deal and although the system could be better. I think it works well. It has saved me countless hours of time on the road.

[tiranga008]

Originally Posted by SonarTech

Well, I don't at all agree with your comments regarding Microsoft, but to each his own. All I can tell you is that Microsoft has charged $100 for every copy of consumer Windows from 95 to Me. Only for XP did the price increase very slightly. So Bill Gates insulated people like you from inflation for many, many years. Interesting to see how that doesn't seem to amount to anything when you want to bash Microsoft. Nor does anyone seem to care to mention that Microsoft Windows is the most pirated software on the planet. Further, I find it interesting that you think Microsoft even cares about "sneaking up on your PC" to send out "vital" information to "someone". With the hundreds of millions of Windows installations in the world, do you seriously think someone wouldn't see Microsoft doing that? Are you kidding? Microsoft Windows is the world's most closely-examined software - and you're going to sit there and try to tell me that they're "sneaking" vital info off your machine? Yeah, whatever. Like I said, to each his own. Finally, no one said you "had" to use Windows, and no one "makes" you upgrade. That dog won't hunt, buddy. If you hate Microsoft so much, don't buy, install or use their software. Microsoft IS a monopoly - but you need to blame the software pirates of the world for making Bill Gates rich.

SonarTech

Well, Sonartech, I have no option but to respond to your blind faith about MSFT and Bill Gates, but as you say - each to his own....

Though this forum is not about MSFT, first of all, let me establish my credentials, I work for the largest computer company in the world and I sell software for a living. Given that at the age of 37 I can afford a Cadillac, a house and yearly vacations in Europe, I must be doing Ok.... so, perhaps, I do understand the Sofware business.... at least for arguments sake, let's assume that I have 'passing knowledge'..

First of all, MSFT does not sell windows only.. it practically gives it away... everytime you buy a PC u get windows (no, dont think you pay $100 to MSFT, these are OEM deals with manufacturers who pay a royalty to MSFT amounting to a few cents per PC).. where they fleece you is when you buy the 'office' world and the internet explorer that seems to work with all MSFT products. If you have been following the news lately, you would see the spate of law suits that good ol' bill has been paying up for.. just for grins, go out there and do a quick 'cookie' check on your computer - see how many 'reporting cookies' are residing on your pc... and how they love to breed in the IE namespace.. draw your own conclusions... 6- 7 billion people in the world.. so many reporting information that no one reads .. they must be doing it for fun .. if you believe that - yes, there is a Santa Claus.

Now, just to get a little technical, download the new browser - Firefox, run it for a while, and then do the same 'cookie check'....

Anyway, I don't want to bore the others here with such trivia... but, Sonartech, do a reality check.. I am not condoning Cadillac .. but, choose your examples carefully next time..

Apologies to the other members, just could not resist it..

[tiranga008]

BTW got the new DVD.. works fine with the 04 SRX...

[SonarTech]

Well, that's an interesting perspective. We do have something in common, however. As an employee for the world's largest software company who specifically writes usage scenarios for the world's most popular operating system, I too have that so-called 'passing knowledge,' but I have the advantage of knowing exactly how the product's written, and how it has evolved over time. I am, however, surprised of your opinions based on your so-called "passing knowledge" working for 'the world's largest computer company.'

Your evaluation of why IE ends up picking up more "reporting" cookies over a brand-new browser is kind of a no-brainer, but if it makes you feel warm inside to think that the browser's somehow responsible for that, then so be it. I guess the fact that it's been around for substantially longer than any other browser means absolutely nothing, nor does the fact that sites can be written to author cookies for specific browsers. Cookie management is a nightmare from Microsoft's perspective. On one hand, we have to maintain broad compatibility with virtually every kind of web site on the planet. On the other hand, we have to write a product that's reasonably secure for anyone from the amateur to the professional. If we write it too restrictive, we hear about it. If it's too open, we hear about. You know nothing about the pains associated with refining this balancing act, but I can tell you this: If you have a problem with cookies in IE, then change your privacy settings and TURN THEM OFF COMPLETELY. If you don't know how to use IE to manage your cookies, then send me your mailing address and I'll send you a Quick Assist Card so you can contact PSS on my dime to learn how, but don't try and tell me IE's a POS because you can't figure out how to make IE work best for you.

Now it's time for you to do the math, Tiranga. If you were someone interested in either tracking usage habits or tracking advertisement history, which browser on the market do you think you would target?

Anyhow, I think my original comment regarding the price of the NavDVD is totally accurate. I think it's a major unjustifiable gouge in ass of Cadillac owners, and I resent that, just as I resent the manner in which OnStar is operated. That was my only point. If, however, you'd like to continue to discuss this other off-topic material, drop me a note and I'll give you all the reality checks you need.

SonarTech

[tiranga008]

Originally Posted by SonarTech

Well, that's an interesting perspective. We do have something in common, however. As an employee for the world's largest software company who specifically writes usage scenarios for the world's most popular operating system, I too have that so-called 'passing knowledge,' but I have the advantage of knowing exactly how the product's written, and how it has evolved over time. I am, however, surprised of your opinions based on your so-called "passing knowledge" working for 'the world's largest computer company.'

Your evaluation of why IE ends up picking up more "reporting" cookies over a brand-new browser is kind of a no-brainer, but if it makes you feel warm inside to think that the browser's somehow responsible for that, then so be it. I guess the fact that it's been around for substantially longer than any other browser means absolutely nothing, nor does the fact that sites can be written to author cookies for specific browsers. Cookie management is a nightmare from Microsoft's perspective. On one hand, we have to maintain broad compatibility with virtually every kind of web site on the planet. On the other hand, we have to write a product that's reasonably secure for anyone from the amateur to the professional. If we write it too restrictive, we hear about it. If it's too open, we hear about. You know nothing about the pains associated with refining this balancing act, but I can tell you this: If you have a problem with cookies in IE, then change your privacy settings and TURN THEM OFF COMPLETELY. If you don't know how to use IE to manage your cookies, then send me your mailing address and I'll send you a Quick Assist Card so you can contact PSS on my dime to learn how, but don't try and tell me IE's a POS because you can't figure out how to make IE work best for you.

Now it's time for you to do the math, Tiranga. If you were someone interested in either tracking usage habits or tracking advertisement history, which browser on the market do you think you would target?

Anyhow, I think my original comment regarding the price of the NavDVD is totally accurate. I think it's a major unjustifiable gouge in ass of Cadillac owners, and I resent that, just as I resent the manner in which OnStar is operated. That was my only point. If, however, you'd like to continue to discuss this other off-topic material, drop me a note and I'll give you all the reality checks you need.

SonarTech

Ah ha.. .now we know why it hurt..

I like your offer about MSFT support but.... hey isn't that an oxymoron?

Anyhow you along with a million other developers that Microsoft employs.. should know the kind of gook u guys put in your software. If I find a browser that is hack proof at least today.. hey THAT IS GOOD NEWS for me.. and if that threatens MSFTs existence, hallelujah!!!

I saw that you stopped at the cookies and did not talk about the other myriad vulnerabilities that using MSFT garbage hurts the common user -

Check this out - go to your PC and do a "Windows update" .. and go on doing it till you get "No other updates available" .... come back here and post something valid - after about 100 years!!

Dude, I do not want to pick a fight with you, but please do not sit on a high horse and think that just because you work for MSFT its worth defending all its actions...

[Dripps]

I feel like I'm evesdropping on a personal battle! I don't mind you duking it out though...as long as there is progress to getting this Nav restriction and stupidity taken away. These new clues gives us a thread of hope.

[Samboosa]

i think there is already an interface for the escalades for the VSS to sort of fool the navi with speeds of >5 (EDIT: i mean <5) miles all the time. i wouldn't be surprised if something like that is produced for the srx. probably a mod of the escalade would work.

[SonarTech]

Originally Posted by Samboosa

i think there is already an interface for the escalades for the VSS to sort of fool the navi with speeds of >5 miles all the time. i wouldn't be surprised if something like that is produced for the srx. probably a mod of the escalade would work.

I suspect the network protocol, specifically the speed packet, is the same (or very similar) on all Class II systems - All GM Models. The only potential downside I can see to altering the speed signal would be that the Nav system would no longer be able to do speculative positioning - that is, "guessing" where you are and updating the car's location when there's no GPS signal telling it where you "really" are. Example: If you enter a tunnel, you lose GPS signal, but the Nav system still shows your car moving in what ever direction you turn. The compass tells the system when and how much you turned and the speed signal tells the system how far forward you advanced. If the car's always tricked into thinking you're going <5 MPH, it's won't be able to accurately guesstimate when you experience a loss of GPS signal. It would be nice if the hack was easy to enable / disable as necessary - that would be ideal. Enable it for as long as it takes your passenger to enter or select a POI, and then disable it for normal operations.

SonarTech

[Terpnut]

Originally Posted by SonarTech

I suspect the network protocol, specifically the speed packet, is the same (or very similar) on all Class II systems - All GM Models. The only potential downside I can see to altering the speed signal would be that the Nav system would no longer be able to do speculative positioning - that is, "guessing" where you are and updating the car's location when there's no GPS signal telling it where you "really" are. Example: If you enter a tunnel, you lose GPS signal, but the Nav system still shows your car moving in what ever direction you turn. The compass tells the system when and how much you turned and the speed signal tells the system how far forward you advanced. If the car's always tricked into thinking you're going <5 MPH, it's won't be able to accurately guesstimate when you experience a loss of GPS signal. It would be nice if the hack was easy to enable / disable as necessary - that would be ideal. Enable it for as long as it takes your passenger to enter or select a POI, and then disable it for normal operations.

SonarTech

I agree that crippling the VSS improves routing functionality at the expense of another feature (i.e. no more dead reckoning). Personally, if forced to make a choice, I would give up dead reckoning for full-functionality routing while moving.

[beekay]

damn. i didnt know this was the msftforum...


They are tight lipped group. i have not had luck with them yet.
I keep pluggin mastah!

bk

[srx newbie]

While were on a rant, the phone just is not worth it. The per min charge is a rip off. Do they think that because I can afford a Cadillac I can pay tripple for phone service. Phone service that I can not take with me when I am out of the car? Phone service that is a hassle to dial? Phone service that I can not call home and check my answering machine with?
What I do is buy the yearly 15 min plan. That way I am covered if I forget my REAL cell phone at home or if my cell phone battery dies.
My Lincoln had an intregrated phone that I was able to take with me when I left the car and a screen on the dash that showed who I was calling or who was calling me.