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Cadillac Seville / Cadillac Eldorado Forum Discussion, NOOOOOO...no 2004 STS in Past Cadillac Vehicle Discussion; Fine production engine . I was talking 8000 RPM in Racing. Much different....
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    Fine production engine . I was talking 8000 RPM in Racing. Much different.

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    Also as stated before the Grand National was fast but had a short life expectancy.....Not a real good thing!

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    Chevy had no blunders with our 2.8, still running with a quarter million kilometers. Can't say the same for a pressured 3.8. I still see hundreds of GM X-cars and Z-24's running around! Careful dude, I'll defend our 2.8, it's as tough as nails the way I drove it.

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    what about the supercharged 3800series III engines? 260hp/280lbft of torque stock sounds pretty good. These engines are very torque down low as well. How do i know, i used to own a gtp and i've driven the new 04 gtp.

    PS- New gtp felt whole lot faster than any cadillac i've been in. Mainly due to TAC shifter capable tranny.

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    Originally posted by gspencer914
    What???
    No doubt I would rather own a SB chevy than an old V6 but the 3.8 V6 has proven itself. Not only in the Grand National or any other application with the 3800 engine. If you dont think that engine was balanced or the cranks were made poorly then you obviously didnt realize they still produce these motors today with very little problems. Chevy has had their blunders though like the 2.8L V6 or the 3.1 same motor same problems. But all in all chevy as a whole makes very good v6 motors.
    You didn't read my post about the Grand National motor did you?
    Besides that, ljklaiber is right, the V6 IS inherently a poor design. The balance of a V6 is flawed right from the start. And as for the Buick 3.8, the original ones shook at idle like a hound dog sh%#in' a razor blade. That's the reason those engines had such a LOW idle spec. Plus, the 3800 smoothed things out with a balance shaft which is a COMMON item found in V6's to combat the natural imbalance of the motor.

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    Originally posted by Katshot
    [B]Point 2. Can GM build a "World-Class" high performance V6? Hell yeah, you only need to look as far as open-wheel racing to find it too. The two main engines for several years have been from Infiniti and Oldsmobile. GM HAS proven it's V6 thoroughly.
    I'm curious as to which which open wheeled series uses a GM "World-Class" high performance V6 ?

    If you are referencing IRL, then they were/are V8's. If you are referencing their feeder series, then they were exclusivley Infiniti (Infiniti Pro Series).

    Honda and Toyota showed up to the IRL this year. So lets see if GM can compete with the world class V8's. My bet is they loose the series this year and walk away. That is typical GM behavior.

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    Originally posted by Katshot
    You didn't read my post about the Grand National motor did you?
    Besides that, ljklaiber is right, the V6 IS inherently a poor design. The balance of a V6 is flawed right from the start. And as for the Buick 3.8, the original ones shook at idle like a hound dog sh%#in' a razor blade. That's the reason those engines had such a LOW idle spec. Plus, the 3800 smoothed things out with a balance shaft which is a COMMON item found in V6's to combat the natural imbalance of the motor.
    Ok if the V6s are poorly designed then explain to me how they can take a motor like the 4.3L V6 in which is a 350 missing two cylndrs and make it a real workhorse with lots of stock hp. This engine by far exceded any other mfg stock class motor such as fords 4.0L. The vortex option sure did wonders for it. And I dont know who's blown up a gn motor in 60k but damn it change the oil in it and it wont blow up. I have a friend with over 140,000 on his stock GN with kenney bell racing turbo and intercooler on it and had no motor problems at all. Maybe he's the lucky one but I doubt it . All in all chevy has made dependable proformace engines before so it's not unlikely they can produce a better one in the future.

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    Originally posted by gspencer914
    Ok if the V6s are poorly designed...
    Someday I'm going to regret this...

    What Kat meant was any V6 is inferior to an inline (straight) six engine. V6 engines aren't as balanced as a V8 or inline 6. The reason for making the V6 is packaging (making the hood shorter) and commonality of parts with other V's.

    Now that hurt...

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    It would be interesting to make an I6 FWD...... Very wide

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    i think the Cizeta-Moroder..Sp? had a transverse mounted v-16 in the back of the car

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