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12-02-08, 03:50 PM
|  | Cadillac Owners Fanatic Cadillac(s): 96 Eldorado  | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: sommers in North Carolina | | | Re: 300 HP is not what it used to be.
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Originally Posted by submariner409  Read the graph.
Torque on the right column, HP on the left.
That's the GM spec graphs of the 2 STS/SLS Northstars, L37 and LD8: 300hp/295 ft/lb and 275hp/300ft/lb. | Ok, Down to earth now. I use to drive big block Buicks that stock actually had 625 in TQ. This was the norm. I know better. These cars in stock trim will never equal that. I had big block chev's that were way killing, not to give up the FE ford experience that was under estimating HP & torque. The ford 428 FE had 600 easy HP Out of the box And could handle rpm spikes to 7000 including massive torque. Tell me I'm wrong. Its apple & oranges |
12-02-08, 04:30 PM
|  | If it won't run, chrome it..... Cadillac(s): 2002 Cadillac F55 STS/53000mi., 2004 Ford F150 Super cab 4x4 | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Maryland upper Eastern Shore Age: 69 | | | Re: 300 HP is not what it used to be.
We know all about big blocks and brute power. That's not the question at hand. You stated that GM's Northstar claim of 600 ft/lb of torque in the below graph was incorrect. GM never claimed that figure. You didn't read the graph correctly.
For a NA 280 c.i. engine to come even remotely close to 600 ft/lb at 5500 would be revolutionary. GM accomplished exactly half of that figure, as shown in the graph. (A stock Northstar without rev limiter will hit just over 8,600 before the valves begin to float.) |
12-02-08, 07:48 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Fanatic Cadillac(s): 96 Eldorado | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: sommers in North Carolina | | | Re: 300 HP is not what it used to be.
If a North* makes it to 8600 rpm once, feel very lucky. There are engines that will do this 100 times over in stock cars today. So I read the chart wrong. So what. The torque drops off huge big at 3500. End of story |
12-02-08, 11:50 PM
| | If it won't run, chrome it..... Cadillac(s): 2002 Cadillac F55 STS/53000mi., 2004 Ford F150 Super cab 4x4 | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Maryland upper Eastern Shore Age: 69 | | | Re: 300 HP is not what it used to be.
 Wrong, Billy.........torque for both engines continues to increase until above 4,000, then begins a predictable slow decline to above 5,000. Lay a ruler on the graphs and plot out the curves. (Log on to CHRFAB and find out what they can twist their sand rail Northstars to in terms of RPM and torque curves........) There is no reason on earth that a properly prepared Northstar couldn't spin 10,500 RPM easily. Not in a daily driver: the engine....... |
12-11-08, 01:30 AM
| | Cadillac Owners Member Cadillac(s): 2000 STS | | Join Date: Dec 2008 Age: 47 | | | Re: 300 HP is not what it used to be.
New to this forum,i did purchase a 2000 sts mint condition. Regarding the HP issue the 300 horses put out by the Northstar engine is effortless and seamless at the same time. I was very impressed with the power once the RPM'S are ramped up near the 6000 rpm mark. For a big car it hauls without breaking a sweat.
Why even try to compare a caddy to anything else ,it's in it's own league!
The Bose stereo is worth the price of admission alone.
My first caddy ,not my last that's for sure.
I love it when tuner cars pull up alongside,thinking ,hoping,wishing they might outrun the STS ,It just does'nt happen.
Yes there is higher HP cars. But can they provide everything Caddillac offers? the straight answer is NO |
12-11-08, 05:33 AM
|  | Cadillac Owners Fanatic Cadillac(s): 1999 White Diamond STS with Sirius, 2001 Silverado | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chapel Hill, NC | | | Re: 300 HP is not what it used to be.
It's been 2 years since this thread was active my friend, we try not to post in old threads. Just so you know. |
12-11-08, 08:42 AM
|  | Cadillac Owners Fanatic Cadillac(s): 1996 Montana Blue Eldorado,1982 Eldorado Biarritz Diesel | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Age: 44 | | | Re: 300 HP is not what it used to be.
 Don't drink and rant.Your cars are drinking the same fuel you do to produce those claims.  STOCK Quote:
Originally Posted by billytheshoe Ok, Down to earth now. I use to drive big block Buicks that stock actually had 625 in TQ. This was the norm. I know better. These cars in stock trim will never equal that. I had big block chev's that were way killing, not to give up the FE ford experience that was under estimating HP & torque. The ford 428 FE had 600 easy HP Out of the box And could handle rpm spikes to 7000 including massive torque. Tell me I'm wrong. Its apple & oranges |  |
12-11-08, 10:01 AM
| | Cadillac Owners Enthusiast Cadillac(s): 1994 Cadillac Eldorado Touring Coupe | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MKE | | | Re: 300 HP is not what it used to be.
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Originally Posted by billytheshoe 600 ft. lb. of torque at 5500-6000-rpm is a dream. wake up! |
Hahahahaha!
EPIC FAIL on billy's part.. I'd be so embarrassed if I were you, dude.
Have you never read a graph before? What a chuckle.. Glad I read this thread, made my morning much more funny. |
12-11-08, 02:08 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Fanatic Cadillac(s): Seville SLS (STSi), 04 Z06 LeMans edition | | Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Jacksonville Florida Age: 19 | | | Re: 300 HP is not what it used to be.
I'll get my 00 SLS dynod and post the chart on here as long with the video.
We'll see what a 00 SLS with 116,000 miles will pull to the wheels :-)
All I have done is a modified air box, E3 Platnium plugs, and an exhaust. |
12-11-08, 03:46 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Fanatic Cadillac(s): 1996 Montana Blue Eldorado,1982 Eldorado Biarritz Diesel | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Age: 44 | |  Re: 300 HP is not what it used to be.
Maybe 235-245 HP @ the wheels. I'm being kind  . What dyno are you using? Quote:
Originally Posted by kdsevillle I'll get my 00 SLS dynod and post the chart on here as long with the video.
We'll see what a 00 SLS with 116,000 miles will pull to the wheels :-)
All I have done is a modified air box, E3 Platnium plugs, and an exhaust. | |
12-11-08, 06:27 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Member Cadillac(s): 2000 STS | | Join Date: Dec 2008 Age: 47 | | | Re: 300 HP is not what it used to be.
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Originally Posted by tman2093 It's been 2 years since this thread was active my friend, we try not to post in old threads. Just so you know. | Excuse me for offering an opinion,i will be sure to check with you before posting to see if it's ok!Just so you know. |
12-11-08, 10:11 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Fanatic Cadillac(s): 1996 Montana Blue Eldorado,1982 Eldorado Biarritz Diesel | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Age: 44 | |  Hide Quick!
Look out!!!! the thread police is coming....   Quote:
Originally Posted by Northstar32v Excuse me for offering an opinion,i will be sure to check with you before posting to see if it's ok!Just so you know. |  |
12-11-08, 10:23 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Fanatic Cadillac(s): 1999 White Diamond STS with Sirius, 2001 Silverado | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chapel Hill, NC | | | Re: 300 HP is not what it used to be.
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Originally Posted by Northstar32v Excuse me for offering an opinion,i will be sure to check with you before posting to see if it's ok!Just so you know. | The mods tend to get upset when this happens, I was not trying to seem standoffish. If I was, I apologize, I only wanted to prevent you from a less than friendly chastising from a moderator. |
12-12-08, 01:43 AM
| | Cadillac Owners Member Cadillac(s): 2000 STS | | Join Date: Dec 2008 Age: 47 | | | Re: 300 HP is not what it used to be.
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Originally Posted by tman2093 The mods tend to get upset when this happens, I was not trying to seem standoffish. If I was, I apologize, I only wanted to prevent you from a less than friendly chastising from a moderator. | Ok let me get this straight the post previous to mine was Dec 2 2008 ,mine was Dec 11 2008. Regardless when the post started it seems still current to me. If the MODS 'tend to get upset" i will gladly remove myself from this forum.
New to this forum already a gag order! Please.... |
12-12-08, 02:06 AM
| | Cadillac Owners Enthusiast Cadillac(s): 1994 Cadillac Eldorado Touring Coupe | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MKE | | | Re: 300 HP is not what it used to be.
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