300 HP is not what it used to be.

[bcs296]

I'm pretty sure I would be rather embarassed in front of my girl if a Civic beat me in a Viper... A real girl doesn't care what you drive tho ;-)

[bcs296]

Originally Posted by the727kid

For an administrator your not to bright. Cadillac will carry GM on its back...they could come out with 200hp engines and sell the same exact numbers they are now. People don't buy Cadillacs for speed, not even a V-Series. They a V-series for a fast Cadillac. If everybody was buying cars for speed basically every company would go out of business except Chrsyler-Daimer.

You, my friend, have no idea. MOST people who buy luxury take power into consideration when purchasing a car. Cadillac NEEDS to remain competitive. They are already falling behind, especially with the STS. The E500 (with its 7speed), 550i (with its 360hp), and M45 (with its incredibly agressive gearing) have easily surpassed it, even in the Northstar/RWD form. With GM in the position that it is in, they need to be giving potential customers as many reasons as possible to buy their cars. Even the CTS is put to shame by the 330i, G35, and IS350.

I agree with the main idea of this thread: 300hp is DEFINITELY not what it used to be. It is depressing (but also exciting) to me that some of the vehicles being sold today are as quick as they are. I used to think that my dad's 96 SLS could beat anything, but I soon began to realize that as cars became lighter, more efficient, and more powerful, the 275hp Seville was not as much of a threat as it once was. If you ask me, it was a mistake to stick with the same 300hp/4speed auto combination for so long (11 years! edit: I forgot, it's actually STILL going with the Lucerne. Even with the Northstar, this thing is getting smoked by other cars in its class. *cough*Avalon*cough*). GM sure pumped that one dry. Yeah, it blew away the competition when it first debuted right up until the late 90's, but by 2000 the technology in the luxury market had progressed. RWD and 5speed autos really began to point out the shortcomings of Cadillac's star drivetrain. It's more than past time to put this one to bed.

Anyways, consider this:
Toyota Avalon - Total "old man" mobile pulling 0-60 in the mid to low 6's.
Cadillac Escalade - ~5600lb behemoth that can get to 60 in 6.2 seconds!
Any and all of today's pocket rockets -- Civic Si, GTI, Tiburon, and especially the SRT-4.
Anything made by Infiniti that has the VQ35 engine is darn quick, and Toyota is going crazy with their new 270hp 3.5 V6. A Rav4 with 270hp? Scary. How about getting beat by a Nissan Quest minivan? That's humiliating.

It's time for GM to pump up the power of the HV 3.9 as well as the HF 3.6 and start dumping them into their vehicles, FAST. Oh, and hurry up with the next Northstar too. 320hp is nice, but it's already one of the least in the field.

[the727kid]

Originally Posted by bcs296

You, my friend, have no idea. MOST people who buy luxury take power into consideration when purchasing a car. Cadillac NEEDS to remain competitive. They are already falling behind, especially with the STS. The E500 (with its 7speed), 550i (with its 360hp), and M45 (with its incredibly agressive gearing) have easily surpassed it, even in the Northstar/RWD form. With GM in the position that it is in, they need to be giving potential customers as many reasons as possible to buy their cars. Even the CTS is put to shame by the 330i, G35, and IS350.

I agree with the main idea of this thread: 300hp is DEFINITELY not what it used to be. It is depressing (but also exciting) to me that some of the vehicles being sold today are as quick as they are. I used to think that my dad's 96 SLS could beat anything, but I soon began to realize that as cars became lighter, more efficient, and more powerful, the 275hp Seville was not as much of a threat as it once was. If you ask me, it was a mistake to stick with the same 300hp/4speed auto combination for so long (11 years! edit: I forgot, it's actually STILL going with the Lucerne. Even with the Northstar, this thing is getting smoked by other cars in its class. *cough*Avalon*cough*). GM sure pumped that one dry. Yeah, it blew away the competition when it first debuted right up until the late 90's, but by 2000 the technology in the luxury market had progressed. RWD and 5speed autos really began to point out the shortcomings of Cadillac's star drivetrain. It's more than past time to put this one to bed.

Anyways, consider this:
Toyota Avalon - Total "old man" mobile pulling 0-60 in the mid to low 6's.
Cadillac Escalade - ~5600lb behemoth that can get to 60 in 6.2 seconds!
Any and all of today's pocket rockets -- Civic Si, GTI, Tiburon, and especially the SRT-4.
Anything made by Infiniti that has the VQ35 engine is darn quick, and Toyota is going crazy with their new 270hp 3.5 V6. A Rav4 with 270hp? Scary. How about getting beat by a Nissan Quest minivan? That's humiliating.

It's time for GM to pump up the power of the HV 3.9 as well as the HF 3.6 and start dumping them into their vehicles, FAST. Oh, and hurry up with the next Northstar too. 320hp is nice, but it's already one of the least in the field.

Can some one please post up Cadillac selling stats. Other Luxury car companies are more appealed to a younger crowd, Cadillac dominates 55+ sales I would imagine. You don't see old people driving Lexus' and Mercedes, you see them in Caddys. And majority of them don't give two shyts about speed. Now when you see someone driving a Lexus or Mercedes, usually its a kid or a person in the 30s or 40s, of course speed is typically a factory then. I do agree Cadillac needs to stay competitive to maintain a younger market, but their sales are not based on the younger market. Like I said their sales would not suffer significantly if they had slower cars.

And these "Civic Si, GTI, Tiburon, and especially the SRT-4. " I have personally rode in all but the GTI and they are all trash. SRT4 is no where what people make it out to be.

[bcs296]

How can you not understand that Cadillac cannot survive on OLD MEN? WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THEY ARE NO LONGER AROUND? They are only buying Caddies because Cadillac was the car to buy during their time. The people of the younger generation buy foreign. They are not going to hit 50 and say "Oh, now I have to buy Cadillac." They are going to continue buying their Lexi, BMWs, Mercedes, etc. Personally, I like Cadillac and absolutely hate it when they are referred to as "old men" cars. If you haven't noticed, that is a NEGATIVE connotation. Get a clue. Young people are the future, as always. Cadillac needs a younger demographic.

I was not comparing the compact cars to Cadillacs in a general sense. The point of this thread was that 300hp is not a lot these days. Why? Because there are so many quick, powerful cars out there now that a 300hp STS is not what it used to be. The Civic, GTI, Tiburon are just as quick and the SRT-4 is much quicker. I am well aware that these cars are in a completely different class than Cadillac.

I was not comparing the Civic

[Jesda]

I just cant feel "love" for an Impala, even with a decent V8.

[the727kid]

Originally Posted by bcs296

How can you not understand that Cadillac cannot survive on OLD MEN? WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THEY ARE NO LONGER AROUND? They are only buying Caddies because Cadillac was the car to buy during their time. The people of the younger generation buy foreign. They are not going to hit 50 and say "Oh, now I have to buy Cadillac." They are going to continue buying their Lexi, BMWs, Mercedes, etc. Personally, I like Cadillac and absolutely hate it when they are referred to as "old men" cars. If you haven't noticed, that is a NEGATIVE connotation. Get a clue. Young people are the future, as always. Cadillac needs a younger demographic.

I was not comparing the compact cars to Cadillacs in a general sense. The point of this thread was that 300hp is not a lot these days. Why? Because there are so many quick, powerful cars out there now that a 300hp STS is not what it used to be. The Civic, GTI, Tiburon are just as quick and the SRT-4 is much quicker. I am well aware that these cars are in a completely different class than Cadillac.

I was not comparing the Civic

Lol, you do know the world doesn't stay young? Now I haven't ridin in every other Luxury car, but several others, none come even to same league as the Deville rides.....thats what old people going to look fo rus.

I never ment you comparing those cars, I just personally think they are trash, if I want to look into a car in that class I would probally end up spending more cash on a 3 series. Just something about when a car doesn't even have leather as an option that makes it shitty to me

[Katshot]

Originally Posted by Jesda

I just cant feel "love" for an Impala, even with a decent V8.

Maybe that will change in a couple years when they go to RWD.

[the727kid]

I can understand the new Impalas but the 95-96s were serious, along with all the glass houses, donks, and earlier.

[bcs296]

Originally Posted by the727kid

Lol, you do know the world doesn't stay young?

Go back and read my post again. Young people who have been buying imports are not going to change their ways and rapidly flock to Cadillac just because they grow older. If they don't buy Caddy in their youth, they probably won't with age either.

The people of the younger generation buy foreign. They are not going to hit 50 and say "Oh, now I have to buy Cadillac."

You know why the above is true? Because there ARE in fact cars out there that "ride like a Deville" as you so put it.

Now I haven't ridin in every other Luxury car, but several others, none come even to same league as the Deville rides.....thats what old people going to look fo rus.

Maybe I'm not understanding what exactly you mean by "rides" but I'm pretty convinced that say, an LS430, rides just as nice or better than a Deville (now DTS). I guess we could always ask the thousands of LS430 owners.

[AlBundy]

My car isn't 300hp and I'm trying to get there not that I feel its alot of power as compared to the car mentioned but getting there is still my mission(call it a hobby). As far as this thread goes I agree 300hp isn't going to get it if your going to compete.

[pos2nat]

Originally Posted by 1Eldo1

Are you kidding me? Cadillac Eldorados and Sevilles were not designed for speed or handling for that matter. These are luxury cars in every respect and only that. The 300HP N is a perfect match for the cars. They don't need modification. My Eldo is stock in every detail and I would never change it. If I want to go 155mph and smoke vettes, I uncover the M3. Caddys are fragile in comparison and need to be pampered. If not, you'll pay later. Been there.
(What's a Hyandai)

Last year I opened up my '93 STS on a BMW M3 (not a 325 with M decals) - when I zipped him at 110 and opened up to 140+, he faded pretty fast after barely staying with me from about 85 to 100. I know the M3 will beat me from a standstill but on an open hwy I consider the STS sporty. If the Northstar was not built with sport in mind, why do they perform better at 6,000rpm and shift at 6,700rpm. I redline shift my STS every hwy entrance ramp, and the motor keeps calling for more. For an everyday driver, the STS is as sporty as it gets with low maintenance. I can't imagine redlining my tach on any other daily driver without repair issues.

[Katshot]

Originally Posted by pos2nat

Last year I opened up my '93 STS on a BMW M3 (not a 325 with M decals) - when I zipped him at 110 and opened up to 140+, he faded pretty fast after barely staying with me from about 85 to 100. I know the M3 will beat me from a standstill but on an open hwy I consider the STS sporty. If the Northstar was not built with sport in mind, why do they perform better at 6,000rpm and shift at 6,700rpm. I redline shift my STS every hwy entrance ramp, and the motor keeps calling for more. For an everyday driver, the STS is as sporty as it gets with low maintenance. I can't imagine redlining my tach on any other daily driver without repair issues.

Redline shifting is more to get you into the meat of the next gear than anything since you've easily gone well past the engine's peak power point.

[DGUT]

My new dream car. But I would still keep the ETC. There really is something about the ELDO that power alone can never beat.

[I~LUV~Caddys8792]

Originally Posted by pos2nat

Last year I opened up my '93 STS on a BMW M3 (not a 325 with M decals) - when I zipped him at 110 and opened up to 140+, he faded pretty fast after barely staying with me from about 85 to 100. I know the M3 will beat me from a standstill but on an open hwy I consider the STS sporty.

A new M3? How?

[STS 310]

Originally Posted by the727kid

Can some one please post up Cadillac selling stats. Other Luxury car companies are more appealed to a younger crowd, Cadillac dominates 55+ sales I would imagine. You don't see old people driving Lexus' and Mercedes, you see them in Caddys. And majority of them don't give two shyts about speed. Now when you see someone driving a Lexus or Mercedes, usually its a kid or a person in the 30s or 40s, of course speed is typically a factory then. I do agree Cadillac needs to stay competitive to maintain a younger market, but their sales are not based on the younger market. Like I said their sales would not suffer significantly if they had slower cars.

And these "Civic Si, GTI, Tiburon, and especially the SRT-4. " I have personally rode in all but the GTI and they are all trash. SRT4 is no where what people make it out to be.

You keep posting insight like this and I am going to think you are more intelligent than previous posts would suggest!