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    ABS Orange light and Traction Control Disabled after rear pad install

    my 94 Eldo with 73000 miles had worn rear pads, down to about 1/16th inch, no metal to metal, but I replaced the pads anyway. I opened the bleeder valves and somehow air got inside, so I have tried twice to bleed them. Though I am pumping 2-3 times with fluid out, the M/C does not take any fluid. When I start the car the pedal goes down, but without the engine on the pedal is hard with short travel. The ABS orange light stays one and the panel says traction is disabled. There were no lights or problems before the pad replacement, so I have to assume it is air in the system, but if it won't take new fluid in, how do I get it to bleed? I only did the rear pads...so the front brakes should be without air. HELP?

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    Re: ABS Orange light and Traction Control Disabled after rear pad install

    Look at the rear wheels (the hubs), in the back there is a connector, you most likely unplugged the ABS speed sensor in the process of replacing the brake pads. Also just so you don't have to pull both wheels to see which one is it, you can pull your codes (is all available from the buttons on the dashboard, no need to go to mechanic or use any scanner, check the sticky "How to pull codes" for instructions). Write down the codes and use the links provided with the instructions (remember your car is OBDI) to see what the codes mean. Will be something like "LR wheel speed sensor...".

    Lesson learned, plug back all connectors when you are done with the repair

    The vehicle will not show any codes if you have air into the brake line (there is no monitoring for that).

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    Re: ABS Orange light and Traction Control Disabled after rear pad install

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    Re: ABS Orange light and Traction Control Disabled after rear pad install

    Are you sure you bled the system properly. Hard to tell from your description.

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    Re: ABS Orange light and Traction Control Disabled after rear pad install

    Quote Originally Posted by Northstarnut View Post
    my 94 Eldo with 73000 miles had worn rear pads, down to about 1/16th inch, no metal to metal, but I replaced the pads anyway. I opened the bleeder valves and somehow air got inside, so I have tried twice to bleed them. Though I am pumping 2-3 times with fluid out, the M/C does not take any fluid. When I start the car the pedal goes down, but without the engine on the pedal is hard with short travel. The ABS orange light stays one and the panel says traction is disabled. There were no lights or problems before the pad replacement, so I have to assume it is air in the system, but if it won't take new fluid in, how do I get it to bleed? I only did the rear pads...so the front brakes should be without air. HELP?
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    Though I am pumping 2-3 times with fluid out,
    the M/C does not take any fluid.

    I don't understand what you are saying -

    post EXACTLY how you are bleeding the rear brakes -

    and are you bleeding them by yourself -

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    Re: ABS Orange light and Traction Control Disabled after rear pad install

    I have the one-way valve for doing it myself. I have pumped fluid/air out and tightened the bleeders again but when I go to the master cylinder to top it up it is already full still. I started with the right rear and then the left. The fronts should not have been affected. They pump up hard when the engine is off. Since the ABS light is a separate issue I may have them bled correctly. I thought because the light was on, I still had not done it right, but since there is no light indication or code for air in the lines, I will work through it today and take a test drive.

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    Re: ABS Orange light and Traction Control Disabled after rear pad install

    Quote Originally Posted by Northstarnut View Post
    I have the one-way valve for doing it myself. I have pumped fluid/air out and tightened the bleeders again but when I go to the master cylinder to top it up it is already full still. I started with the right rear and then the left. The fronts should not have been affected. They pump up hard when the engine is off. Since the ABS light is a separate issue I may have them bled correctly. I thought because the light was on, I still had not done it right, but since there is no light indication or code for air in the lines, I will work through it today and take a test drive.
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    I have pumped fluid/air out and
    tightened the bleeders again
    but when I go to the master cylinder to top it up
    it is already full still.

    can't be -
    IF you are actually pumping any fluid out -
    the master would be low -

    They pump up hard when the engine is off.
    that proves nothing -
    you must have the engine running to bleed the brakes -

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    I never run the engine while bleeding the brakes. You just have to force fluid out of open lines, you definitely don't need the booster for that.

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    Re: ABS Orange light and Traction Control Disabled after rear pad install

    Quote Originally Posted by MoistCabbage View Post
    I never run the engine while bleeding the brakes. You just have to force fluid out of open lines, you definitely don't need the booster for that.
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    the OP is using one-way bleeders -

    I believe he is not getting any fluid out -
    because there isn't enough pressure being developed without the booster -

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    Oh ok, that changes things.

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    Re: ABS Orange light and Traction Control Disabled after rear pad install

    I agree. If the fluid in the MC is not going down, you're not bleeding anything.

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    Where is the reservoir you're looking in located?

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    Re: ABS Orange light and Traction Control Disabled after rear pad install

    Quote Originally Posted by N*Caddy View Post
    Look at the rear wheels (the hubs), in the back there is a connector, you most likely unplugged the ABS speed sensor in the process of replacing the brake pads. Also just so you don't have to pull both wheels to see which one is it, you can pull your codes (is all available from the buttons on the dashboard, no need to go to mechanic or use any scanner, check the sticky "How to pull codes" for instructions). Write down the codes and use the links provided with the instructions (remember your car is OBDI) to see what the codes mean. Will be something like "LR wheel speed sensor...".

    Lesson learned, plug back all connectors when you are done with the repair

    The vehicle will not show any codes if you have air into the brake line (there is no monitoring for that).
    You got it dead right. I found the loose plug on the right rear and now no codes or messages...Thank you! I would never have seen it, it was so well hidden!

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    Nope and I would prefer the old ways on things like hydraulic brakes! I am smart enough and a high performance enough driver to never need ABS. It was designed by Congress for idiot low performance drivers!
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    Yes I am pretty smart and experienced in this...unless there is something in the system that prevents it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger View Post
    Are you sure you bled the system properly. Hard to tell from your description.


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    Yes all by myself and 45 years of experience

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    I got plenty of rusty fluid out, 3 pumps worth

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    UHhh...on the brake booster

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    Re: ABS Orange light and Traction Control Disabled after rear pad install

    Pumps & bleeders are a lot of fooling around. Get a piece of vinyl hose on the nipple and gravity bleed them. Do a google search or otherwise for "gravity bleeding" and look at images & read. This is too simple. Too easy......

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    Re: ABS Orange light and Traction Control Disabled after rear pad install

    I've never had any luck with the gravity method. Slower than molasses in January.

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