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I hear alot about not allowing carbon deposits to build up on your engine. How does one go about burning off carbon (easiest and safest way)?
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Re: Burning carbon deposits...

Do not use any aftermarket products.
bbob explains how to "blow the carbon out" many times in this forum.
Just run a search for carbon.
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Re: Burning carbon deposits...

There are many advantages to occasional full throttle accelerations with a Northstar and any engine.

It keeps the carbon cleaned out of the combustion chamber. This is maybe a little more important with the Northstar than some other engines due to the tight squish volumes between the piston and the cylinder head. It's designed this way to promote good in-cylinder mixture motion (good combustion) but it has the down side of providing a ready place for carbon build-up to touch the piston - causing noise. Ever heard of the Northstar "cold carbon rap" problem?? Simply put you'll hear a rythmic, piston slap-like noise when the engine is cold. Very prominent and very annoying. Cause: excessive carbon build up causing the the piston to contact the carbon on the head - causing it to rock in the bore and "slap" Much more evident when the engine is cold and the pistons haven't expanded to full diameter yet. Simplest and easiest "fix" for this: A few good WOT (wide open throttle) accelerations to clear the carbon out. That is all it takes to eliminate the problem and prevent it from re-occurring.

Occasional WOT accelerations also help seat the rings to the ring lands and exercise the rings and keep them mobile and from becoming stuck in carbon in the ring lands. At high RPM and WOT the rings move around on the piston - they actually rotate on the piston and will polish away any carbon and seat themselves to the sides of the ring grooves. This is especially important on the 2000 and later Northstars which had hard anodized top ring lands on the pistons. Very hard and wear resistant - also harder to break-in and seat the rings to the sides of the ring-lands to promote the best possible seal. Many oil consumption complaints on the 2000 and later engines are related, to some extent, with the rings never seating to the sides of the ring-grooves due to lack of load as the engine was babied around forever. Even engines with rings stuck in the ring-grooves due to carbon build up can eventually be freed up with enough high RPM operation.

WOTs warm up the engine thoroughly and clean out the exhaust due to temperature in the exhaust and high flow rates blasting particles, rust and such out of the system.

Frequent WOT operation will not hurt the engine or the transmission. They're designed for that. The healthiest engines that I have seen at high miles are always the ones that are run the hardest. Rings are free on the pistons and sealing; no carbon buildup.

The exercise that I think works best for many things is to select manual 2nd gear on an isolated stretch of expressway. This takes the transmission shifting out of the question if you are worried about hurting it. Start at 55 MPH or so and go to WOT in 2nd gear and hold it until the RPM reaches near the normal shift point - i.e. 6500 for an L37 and 6000 for an LD8. Hold the throttle wide open until the engine reaches, say, 6200 for an STS and then just let completely off the throttle. Leave the transmission in 2nd so that the engine brakes the car and creates some pretty heavy over-run conditions at high vacuum levels. Let it slow until it is about 55 or so and then go to WOT again and repeat. This exercise really loads the rings, allows variable RPM operation at WOT for several seconds continuously, creates heavy over-run which tends to unload the rings and make them move and thus exercise them in the ring grooves and it will blow-out carbon and the exhaust - all without creating a spectical of yourself and attracting the attention of cops. You can do it on most any freeway and stay within the 70-75 MPH range allowable. Once a week like this will keep the engine cleaned out and healthy and is DEFINITELY recommended for the Northstar in particular.

The Northstar engine was designed/developed/validated to be run hard. It was expected that people would use the performance of the engine - which few people seem to do. The biggest single problem that many issues stem from is lack of use at full throttle by the owners. It just doesn't like to be babied around. The rings are low-tension by design for good high RPM operating characteristics and low friction/good power. They work best if "used" and kept free.

In every conversation with owners I have had, once the owner started doing the WOTs and using the power of the engine they report no more carbon rap, better oil economy, no "smoke" when they do light it up (keep the exhaust cleaned out. If you notice a "cloud" at WOT then you are not doing enough WOTs...) etc... A bit of judicious use of the other end of the throttle travel is a GOOD thing...

Burning carbon deposits is fun because all it takes is a little WOT
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Re: Burning carbon deposits...

When you say to do it in manual 2nd gear, are you talking about doing it in 2nd gear with a manual transmission or doing it with an automatic transmission and putting it in 2nd gear manually?
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Re: Burning carbon deposits...

how to clean throttle body?
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Re: Burning carbon deposits...

Freefaller07-
Great descriptive narrative that explains the way to "burn it out". Everything you said was stated perfectly. Well put and thanks for your time and efforts.
They are appreciated.

On the throttle question just previous, check a thread above that appears to address not only the technique, but what type of cleaner to use.....Good luck!
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I have pics of what happens to a N* engine when you baby it. I found one at the dealership if anyone wants pics, email me at agustinjcruz@bellsouth.net Looks like tar on the pistons
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Re: Burning carbon deposits...

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When you say to do it in manual 2nd gear, are you talking about doing it in 2nd gear with a manual transmission or doing it with an automatic transmission and putting it in 2nd gear manually?
All Cadillac Northstars are automatic transmissions.

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Re: Burning carbon deposits...

Throttle body cleaning is a DIY job. With the help of others on this forum you can do it very easily. Just do a search in the forums to find out more on the throttle body cleaning. Clean that carbon and have fun.
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Re: Burning carbon deposits...

I totally agree with everything in freefaller07's post on the WOTs above but would like to add one thing I beleive is very important.

When the A/C is running above 38°F (4°C), the PCM disengages the A/C compressor clutch at WOT. When the throttle is lifted, the clutch re-engages. At such high rpms, this is quite stressful for the clutch.

I strongly recommend before doing the WOT runs that we hit the A/C button on the dash to disable the clutch first. This will pay big dividends in the long run.
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Re: Burning carbon deposits...

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When you say to do it in manual 2nd gear, are you talking about doing it in 2nd gear with a manual transmission or doing it with an automatic transmission and putting it in 2nd gear manually?
The latter...
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Re: Burning carbon deposits...

what is a WOT run? sorry, i'm new and lame
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Re: Burning carbon deposits...

WOT = Wide Open Throttle aka WFO. Plant foot firmly on floor. Do not release til engine winds up to redline and shifts.
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Re: Burning carbon deposits...

WOT is simply putting the pedal to the metal like they used to say. Make sure when you go WOT run it all the way to redline and let the car shift all on its own. No one knew cleaning carbon could be so fun.
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Re: Burning carbon deposits...

I bought a beautiful Black Cherry 96 Seville SLS a few months ago with 105,000 miles and love it. After about 1000 miles I started getting a Service Engine Soon light, an O2 Sensor fault code, and a Service Emission System" light and I also have a a/c compressor seal leak. I do mostly just stop and go around town and drive about 100 miles a week averaging about 18 mph between 0 and 45mph. (no snickering please). I had an ocassion to drive my son to work recently and did about 70 mph for about 20 minutes each way. Lo and behold All the warning lights went out and All the associated annoyance. I think a WOT run would do the engine and exhaust system a world of good. However, I`m a little reluctant to do it for fear of breaking something expensive like a head gasket, etc. considering the milage on the engine and the amount of driving I do. What do you guys think about it?
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