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Cadillac Seville / Cadillac Eldorado Forum Discussion, '97 Eldo - riding high after shock / strut replacement in Past Cadillac Vehicle Discussion; stoveguyy, You posted food for thought: " ..... or welded to the strut body " - and if that's at ...
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    Re: '97 Eldo - riding high after shock / strut replacement

    stoveguyy, You posted food for thought: "..... or welded to the strut body" - and if that's at the wrong height, so is the car's 'after' height.

    Who made the replacement struts ? Old strut/new strut measurements ?

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    Re: '97 Eldo - riding high after shock / strut replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Ross View Post
    Ugh. So I should definitely get this addressed then?
    Definitely. That's just not right. Are they the correct replacement shocks and struts?

    Or you could go with taller wheels

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    Re: '97 Eldo - riding high after shock / strut replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by EcSTSatic View Post
    Or you could go with taller wheels
    ........... and then try to find someone to recalibrate the PCM for speed and wheel speed due to the increase in outside tire diameter .......

    His original tire OD is right at 27", so he could theoretically run 27" wheels (no tires) and keep all calibrations within spec - but start fooling with taller tires and speedo, transmission, and engine calibrations go out the window.

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    Re: '97 Eldo - riding high after shock / strut replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by Submariner409 View Post
    ........... and then try to find someone to recalibrate the PCM for speed and wheel speed due to the increase in outside tire diameter .......

    His original tire OD is right at 27", so he could theoretically run 27" wheels (no tires) and keep all calibrations within spec - but start fooling with taller tires and speedo, transmission, and engine calibrations go out the window.
    You realize that was sarcasm right?

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    Re: '97 Eldo - riding high after shock / strut replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by Submariner409 View Post
    EDIT: Thought ....... Bob, park the car on a level surface - big parking lot - and walk 25 feet in front of the car. What is the attitude of the front wheels/tires ? Do they appear to be just about vertical, or do the tops of the tires seem to tilt out a tad ?? Same for the rear ............. camber may indicate excessive suspension height.
    Done. Wheels appear vertical, front and rear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Submariner409 View Post

    Who made the replacement struts ? Old strut/new strut measurements ?
    It's the Monroe 90011 kit. Plenty of people on here seem to have used that kit with success, so I don't think that's the issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by EcSTSatic View Post

    Or you could go with taller wheels
    LOL. Could I also put a "22" emblem on the side? You know, so people know they are 22's?

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    Is passive eldo strut same quality/ride as grand prix strut? Or impala? I assume the oem strut was typical GM parts bin stuff. But GM made 3 million. Rock auto sells 17 each yr. who makes the struts now? China, Korea? You say ride is stiff now. Too bad u can't find some nos delco struts. I assume dealers got rid of their stuff yrs ago

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    Re: '97 Eldo - riding high after shock / strut replacement

    Well, I'm taking the car back in. Guess I'll see how it goes.

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    Re: '97 Eldo - riding high after shock / strut replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by EcSTSatic View Post
    You realize that was sarcasm right?
    Of course - But there are CF members who would take your "put taller wheels on it" as gospel and then we would have to explain our way out of that mess .......... It HAS happened before.

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    Re: '97 Eldo - riding high after shock / strut replacement

    Below are a couple of recent side profile shots taken from slightly different perspectives. The gas tank is full and the trunk only has a full set of golf clubs loaded in it. The "rake" seems very slight to me but from different viewing angles (bottom pic) it does seem to be more apparent...
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    Here is the 96' with what I believe to be its original struts/shocks at 130K miles..





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    Your '02 looks fine. The '96 is sagging.

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    Ya but! Original springs and new struts will not result in higher than normal ride height.

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    Re: '97 Eldo - riding high after shock / strut replacement

    Thanks. I just saved a pic of your '02 to my phone so I can show the mechanic what it should look like when I take the car back in.

    He sounded baffled when I called. Said the new struts that I brought were the correct ones and went in without issue and they did use the original springs. I've no idea either.

    Is the front height adjustable at all, or is it fully dependent on the springs?

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    Non adjustable.

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    Re: '97 Eldo - riding high after shock / strut replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by MoistCabbage View Post
    Your '02 looks fine. The '96 is sagging.
    Hi, MC. Yep. Makes sense. Twice the mileage, both cars original suspension I believe. (Except for Moog replacement K5319 sway bar links on the 96').
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    Re: '97 Eldo - riding high after shock / strut replacement

    In the before picture the rear is definitely lower than it should be, looks like the car was riding on the springs alone with no ELC support at all.
    The front looks about right (because the rear is a bit low you may be fooled to believe the front is high, but actually is normal).
    In the after picture the rear is correct, but the front is definitely high.

    Now think about it:
    In the rear the shocks are next to the spring, so even if you have a slightly longer or shorter strut (think to a syringe) it will go in or out a bit to get to the height of the spring (the springs are the ONLY thing that dictate your reide height). Well the ETC assists the struts and assuming is operational and there are no leaks then the height sensor (you only have one) is the only thing that adjusts the height (but let’s not get there as your rear height is OK).
    So considering the suspension geometry in the rear a slightly off dimension strut will work fine (sure if is longer or shorter will have the tendency to bottom out not being in the center of its travel in some extreme situations but that's about it).

    Now the front struts on the other hand have a pocket welded on and that's where the spring sits on. So think about it, if the aftermarket strut spring pocket is welded in a different position in respect with the bottom mounting points of the strut, well then you have height issues.
    Basically the height of the car (in the front) is still given by the spring, but the spring is now mounted on the strut and if the length of the strut from the spring pocket to the bottom mounting points is longer than on the original (OEM) strut then you just jacked up the front.
    The shop has NO FAULT in this if they were not the ones purchasing (and recommending in the same time) the struts (there are no adjustments to be made). If they use the original springs in the original location then they are OK.

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