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    No wagon, no care.

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    Let's hope GM makes the wise decision to go AWD on the V3 for traction issues. The more power the engine has, the less traction the rear wheels will have no matter how good the launch control they add. I vote for AWD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GM-4-LIFE View Post
    Let's hope GM makes the wise decision to go AWD on the V3 for traction issues. The more power the engine has, the less traction the rear wheels will have no matter how good the launch control they add. I vote for AWD.
    I second this.

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    Where did you come up with a ZR1 having a TT engine? The last statement from GM is 'no plans for a ZR1'.

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    There also will not be a coupe from what I've been told (see my "conversation" thread).

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    Quote Originally Posted by spearfish25 View Post
    Where did you come up with a ZR1 having a TT engine? The last statement from GM is 'no plans for a ZR1'.
    They are also on record saying that turbos wouldn't fit and cool correctly in the C7. They tried them and settled on supercharging. Unless they have a radically different engine to support turbos, I just don't see it. Or maybe the turbo V8 is unique to the CTS-V...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennych View Post
    only if there is a wagon.......... wagon wagon wagon!
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    I had this same argument in another thread..caddilac is going to have to "outgun" the e63 in hp by 5-8% to sell any cars. We have the WORST traction issues in the luxuary super sedan world! Adding more wheel spin to our cars I'm my opinion isn't going to move units, especially at my projected 85k msrp. I'm all for awd. I want to stay competitive. And 600+ hp (where the v3 needs to be) wo awd just equals more tires. Especially for those of us running all seasons in the winter. My all seasons are trash. Period. PS2 is ok, but I get horrible wheel spin on my all seasons. Launch control is also a must. But no computer is going to achieve the needed 0-60 of 3.5 (at least) with 600 hp on a 2ton sedan rwd.

    Start flaming, I don't mind. I'm not a "purist", I want a badass machine. And awd will put gm in the drivers seat in our segment.

    And as far as turbos go, there's a reason every other manufacturer is using them. Read the v-sport reviews...gm can't get them to spool quick enough... I hope we get a custom engine landing us no larger than 5.5L w a TT setup...start/stop plus TT, we are looking at a "practical" daily driver. If any of u have driven any of the amg's start/stop..they are flawless. Almost immediate power. Given the tech GM has availible to add to the v3, the right comfig and no corners cut could land us another M5 killer... Still saving us 10-15k off the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJGPharmMD
    I had this same argument in another thread..caddilac is going to have to "outgun" the e63 in hp by 5-8% to sell any cars. We have the WORST traction issues in the luxuary super sedan world! Adding more wheel spin to our cars I'm my opinion isn't going to move units, especially at my projected 85k msrp. I'm all for awd. I want to stay competitive. And 600+ hp (where the v3 needs to be) wo awd just equals more tires. Especially for those of us running all seasons in the winter. My all seasons are trash. Period. PS2 is ok, but I get horrible wheel spin on my all seasons. Launch control is also a must. But no computer is going to achieve the needed 0-60 of 3.5 (at least) with 600 hp on a 2ton sedan rwd. Start flaming, I don't mind. I'm not a "purist", I want a badass machine. And awd will put gm in the drivers seat in our segment. And as far as turbos go, there's a reason every other manufacturer is using them. Read the v-sport reviews...gm can't get them to spool quick enough... I hope we get a custom engine landing us no larger than 5.5L w a TT setup...start/stop plus TT, we are looking at a "practical" daily driver. If any of u have driven any of the amg's start/stop..they are flawless. Almost immediate power. Given the tech GM has availible to add to the v3, the right comfig and no corners cut could land us another M5 killer... Still saving us 10-15k off the price.
    Hopefully MB's start stop is better than BMW's. Theirs is horrible.

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    Mb is phenomenal. I looked at an SL65 a couple months ago, and I could barely tell the thing was on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJGPharmMD View Post
    I had this same argument in another thread..caddilac is going to have to "outgun" the e63 in hp by 5-8% to sell any cars.
    The CTS-V has been "outgunned" as you say, by the M5 and E63 AMG since 2012 and continues to sell 3,000 per year even at the end of its life cycle. Primarily because it costs significantly less and is more balanced, responsive and engaging than its competition.

    Quote Originally Posted by EJGPharmMD View Post
    We have the WORST traction issues in the luxuary super sedan world! Adding more wheel spin to our cars I'm my opinion isn't going to move units, especially at my projected 85k msrp. I'm all for awd. I want to stay competitive. And 600+ hp (where the v3 needs to be) wo awd just equals more tires. Especially for those of us running all seasons in the winter. My all seasons are trash. Period. PS2 is ok, but I get horrible wheel spin on my all seasons.
    This is an exaggeration. Traction is not that bad stock. You're running all season tires - enough said. As for "needing" AWD, the M5 is RWD, puts 520HP to the ground and cracks the 11's at 12X mph. Of course AWD would improve those straight-line numbers but at what cost to weight, price, and driver engagement? Would it make a significant difference around a track?

    Quote Originally Posted by EJGPharmMD View Post
    Launch control is also a must.
    Launch control would help with the 0-60. But that's only useful in limited circumstances (drag strip), and it would have to be easy to do. Take a look at what Audi requires in the S4:

    aas4_02.jpg

    Notice the last bullet? You have 5 seconds to let off the brake. If the light isn't green yet, you're screwed. When you look at rolling starts (5-60mph) the V2 still holds it own with *only* 556HP.

    Quote Originally Posted by EJGPharmMD View Post
    But no computer is going to achieve the needed 0-60 of 3.5 (at least) with 600 hp on a 2ton sedan rwd.
    The M5 achieves 0-60 in 3.7s, has 600+ crank HP and weighs more than 2 tons. Oh, and is not AWD.
    http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

    Quote Originally Posted by EJGPharmMD View Post
    Start flaming, I don't mind. I'm not a "purist", I want a badass machine. And awd will put gm in the drivers seat in our segment.
    No flaming - I appreciate your opinion. Some of us simply have no need/desire for AWD.

    Quote Originally Posted by EJGPharmMD View Post
    And as far as turbos go, there's a reason every other manufacturer is using them. Read the v-sport reviews...gm can't get them to spool quick enough... I hope we get a custom engine landing us no larger than 5.5L w a TT setup...start/stop plus TT, we are looking at a "practical" daily driver. If any of u have driven any of the amg's start/stop..they are flawless. Almost immediate power. Given the tech GM has availible to add to the v3, the right comfig and no corners cut could land us another M5 killer... Still saving us 10-15k off the price.
    Turbos work very well in certain applications and so do superchargers. Both have pro's and con's. In the 600-700HP range I don't think one is intrinsically better than the other. GM/Ford have done very well with using superchargers in high-performance models. Why does it have to be smaller than 5.5L? Is there some magical threshold there? You realize these "small" twin-turbo German V8's are not necessarily smaller/lighter/easier to package than a supercharged 6.2L SBC like the LT4, right? They sure aren't cheaper. More fuel efficient? TBD, but many factors play into a car's fuel efficiency besides displacement.

    Ultimately, things like AWD, turbos, launch control are only part of the equation. The most significant need IMO for improvement has been Cadillac interiors, and I believe the V3 is a big step in the right direction (others may disagree). Given what we've seen from GM performance over the last 5 years (CTS-V, ZR1, 1LE, ZL1, C7 and upcoming Z07) I think I will give Cadillac engineers the benefit of the doubt before I start telling them what they "need" to be competitive.

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