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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    What does it matter that none of the other brands use them? If they're just as good, just as reliable, and cheaper to build, who cares?

    This debate is like saying "I need a Ferrari because everyone else in my neighborhood has a Ferrari. It doesn't matter that my Corvette is just as fast, I need a Ferrari."

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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    Quote Originally Posted by hueterm View Post
    Are the RWD N*s a big huge basket of fail?
    Yes. They are tainted. Fixed or not the N* has a bad reputation. The biggest failures GM has ever had are with Cadillac motors. The 4-6-8, the 4.1, the N*............all garbage. The best Cadillacs are the ones with 472's, 500's or Chevy motors. It is what it is. I'd be loving it if 90's Cadillacs were RWD with Chevy motors. Tell me I'm wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destroyer View Post
    Yes. They are tainted. Fixed or not the N* has a bad reputation. The biggest failures GM has ever had are with Cadillac motors. The 4-6-8, the 4.1, the N*............all garbage. The best Cadillacs are the ones with 472's, 500's or Chevy motors. It is what it is. I'd be loving it if 90's Cadillacs were RWD with Chevy motors. Tell me I'm wrong?
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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    Actually, Roo, he's right.

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    No, I know he is. I was just following directions.

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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    Quote Originally Posted by Destroyer View Post
    Yes. They are tainted. Fixed or not the N* has a bad reputation.
    I'm not going to say you're wrong, just biased based on your own experience. And I think you overestimate the knowledge of the general public of a random problem that was all but wiped out a decade ago.

    For all the money I've dumped into my Concours and ETC on random repairs, I could have sent 5-6 N*s to the guy in Canada to get the studs and seals done. 90s-00s Cadillacs had many other problems besides the N*.

    The LT-1 is a great motor, and I hope to get another 75-100K miles out of each. All I know, is that there is no contest between the "evil" N* and the stock LT-1s in my wagons.

    If GM had improved the N* over the years to the extent they'd improved the small block, the story might be different. And let's face it -- the only reason the LT/LS got the improvements it did was because it goes in the Corvette.
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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    Quote Originally Posted by hueterm View Post
    And let's face it -- the only reason the LT/LS got the improvements it did was because it goes in the Corvette.
    This.

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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    Quote Originally Posted by hueterm View Post
    If GM had improved the N* over the years to the extent they'd improved the small block, the story might be different. And let's face it -- the only reason the LT/LS got the improvements it did was because it goes in the Corvette.
    Yep, that's true. But I still prefer a good pushrod motor to a DOHC motor any day of the week.

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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    Hopefully there are buyers of new $75-100K luxury sedans who will agree with you........
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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    Well condisering that this is going to be a big, heavy car its going to need all the low down grunt it can get. I found that to be lacking in the N* Caddies.

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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    Quote Originally Posted by hueterm View Post
    Nothing in a CTS, or gasp...XTS...but do they or M-B put something similar in a 7 or S?
    Yes, the BMW 740i - and it's quick... Mercedes hasn't caught up yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stingroo View Post
    XTS will fill the traditional Cadillac slot - those who buy DeVilles now.
    Quote Originally Posted by 93DevilleUSMC View Post
    My understanding was that the XTS was supposed to be the new "flagship" until Cadillac could afford to build a true RWD flagship to harass the 7 Series and S Class. If they're already working on the big RWD flagship, what slot is the XTS supposed to fill? Won't it be unnecessary?
    To the above quotes, it'll be a Lexus ES competitor. When you see the next ES and it's improvements, you will agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by codewize View Post
    Turbo doesn't belong in a luxury car. The car should definitely have a larger well refined V8. Big car = big horse power. If you make it anything else it's going to be another Cimarron.

    Can't American auto makers just make nice American auto's?
    Twin turbo would be fine.. Most of America is afraid of the V8. I'll be delightfully surprised if our V8s are still around 10 or 20 years from now, but I'm not holding my breath. A twin turbo V6 without lag like the one in the BMW x35i's is more than adequate to fill the shoes of a V8.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aron9000 View Post
    BMW has been kicking some major arse with turbcharged engines lately. Their inline six motors have been avaialbe with twin turbos(redesigned this model year and now use a single turbo) for a while now. In a 3 or 1 series they are brutally quick, mid 13 second quarter miles with good fuel economy.
    Even better.. The 135i and 335i get low 13 second quarter miles out of the showroom. 0-50 in 4.8 seconds.. We were all just bragging about "0-60 in under 5" a few years ago. For $500.00 and 30 minutes under the hood, these cars are running high 12s and 0-60 in 4.3 seconds...

    Quote Originally Posted by Destroyer View Post
    Yes. They are tainted. Fixed or not the N* has a bad reputation. The biggest failures GM has ever had are with Cadillac motors. The 4-6-8, the 4.1, the N*............all garbage. The best Cadillacs are the ones with 472's, 500's or Chevy motors. It is what it is. I'd be loving it if 90's Cadillacs were RWD with Chevy motors. Tell me I'm wrong?
    I've had several Northstar Cadillac cars and personally liked them quite a bit. They were smooth, quiet and plenty powerful for their time. I think "most" owners would report the same experience...
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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

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    To the above quotes, it'll be a Lexus ES competitor. When you see the next ES and it's improvements, you will agree.


    Surely XTS will be bigger than an ES.....
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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    Quote Originally Posted by hueterm View Post
    And let's face it -- the only reason the LT/LS got the improvements it did was because it goes in the Corvette.
    The biggest reason the LT/LS got all the improvements is because it's closely related to the truck engines. In the grand scheme of what justifies investment at GM, running changes to the Vette rank way, way below anything having to do with the Silverado, Tahoe, etc. Just compare the annual sales numbers -- GM sells more trucks in a good week than it sells Vettes in a year.

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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    Oh wow -- now that tagline is really gonna win over the typical luxosnob buyer.......buy my new $75K Cadillac instead of that $100K M-B so you can swap parts w/your gardener....

    I know M-B makes all kinds of trucks, but they don't take the motor out of one of those ugly flat faced behemoths and drop it in an S-Class...

    I know I'm being picky, but it's based on a principle more than practicality....
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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    Quote Originally Posted by hueterm View Post
    I know M-B makes all kinds of trucks, but they don't take the motor out of one of those ugly flat faced behemoths and drop it in an S-Class...
    Actually they do . . . .

    In Europe the OM642 3.0 turbodiesel V6 is found under the hood of your E-Class, S-Class, C-Class, Jeep Grand Cherokee, and the Sprinter Van. Same thing with the gasoline V6, its in the S-class and Sprinter van, along with a couple other smaller vans.

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