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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    Quote Originally Posted by jrosevear View Post
    N* is dead, and they're not going to develop a whole new line of V8s for one car -- though I could see them developing a Cadillac-only version of the smallblock, maybe with a turbo or something. Either way, learn to love that smallblock, because it's going to be GM's only V8 from here on out.

    From hence, the first layer of fail....

    Not that it's a dealbreaker, as at least it's a V8, and I'd still be very interested in buying one. But the subject of the thread is FLAGSHIP. The fact that they can't develop, afford, and/or keep a modern V8 design is still fail.
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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

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    From hence, the first layer of fail....

    Not that it's a dealbreaker, as at least it's a V8, and I'd still be very interested in buying one. But the subject of the thread is FLAGSHIP. The fact that they can't develop, afford, and/or keep a modern V8 design is still fail.
    I'd much rather have an LS based motor in the Cadillac. The N* was a big huge basket of fail IMO. Last thing Cadillac needs is a tempermental, one off engine like the N*.

    The LS series of motors are becoming pretty high tech now days. Depending on the model, you can get them with variable valve timing, 6 speed automatic trans, displacement on demand, supercharged, and they'll have direct injection versions out in a couple of years. Also there is a huge aftermarket for the LS motors, so if you want a hot-rod Caddy, its definetly the way to go IMO.

    That being said, if they want to go ahead and use the V16 motor out of the Sixteen, or just put the damn thing in production, that would be totally awesome.

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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    Now, if they want to take 2 3.6DIs and weld them into a 7.2DI V12 -- I could live w/that.

    Are the RWD N*s a big huge basket of fail? I don't hear people bitching about them on here, anyway.

    As they seemed to fix the HG and seal problems in the late FWD N*s, how are those big huge baskets of fail?

    Since the thing was pretty much fixed -- just work on making it more efficient, powerful, and reliable. It shouldn't be that hard to get 50-75 more HP and 5 more MPG out of the thing for their base run of the mill V8 engine.

    And I'm not trying to dog the small block -- I have two of its ancestors, and I like them. But GM should have more than one V8 engine -- all I'm saying.
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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    LS3's are pushing 430rwhp with a tune and basic bolt ons. I have wanted Cadi to build a S class competitor without the GM Rubbermaid/Fischer Price interior. The DTS was fail with FWD and cheap feeling interior and the STs wasn't big or luxurious enough. Interior design and a very high quality fit and finish are going to be key since we can probably all get a ruler out and draw the body lines right now (I do love the current Cadi lines btw)

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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    If Hyundai can come up with the Genesis and the Equus, I want to believe GM can produce a V8-powered DeVille and Fleetwood duo. I want to believe. I really do. But, GM's recent history is conspiring against that.

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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    HELLO -- even Hyundai has a modern V8.....

    Now it may blow up in 50000 miles, but the principle stands....
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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    My understanding was that the XTS was supposed to be the new "flagship" until Cadillac could afford to build a true RWD flagship to harass the 7 Series and S Class. If they're already working on the big RWD flagship, what slot is the XTS supposed to fill? Won't it be unnecessary?

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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    XTS will fill the traditional Cadillac slot - those who buy DeVilles now.

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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

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    XTS will fill the traditional Cadillac slot - those who buy DeVilles now.
    You know, some of the interior details on that car do look like what you'd see on older Devilles.

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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    Turbo doesn't belong in a luxury car. The car should definitely have a larger well refined V8. Big car = big horse power. If you make it anything else it's going to be another Cimarron.

    Can't American auto makers just make nice American auto's?

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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    Quote Originally Posted by codewize View Post
    Turbo doesn't belong in a luxury car. The car should definitely have a larger well refined V8. Big car = big horse power. If you make it anything else it's going to be another Cimarron.

    Can't American auto makers just make nice American auto's?
    BMW has been kicking some major arse with turbcharged engines lately. Their inline six motors have been avaialbe with twin turbos(redesigned this model year and now use a single turbo) for a while now. In a 3 or 1 series they are brutally quick, mid 13 second quarter miles with good fuel economy.

    Their 4.4 V8 in the 5/7 sedans and X5/X6 SUVS is now turbocharged as well, 400hp standard. 550hp in the M versions of the SUVs.

    Just saying that turbocharging might be the way of the future.

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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    Maybe, I just don't like power adders in a production car. It's just more stuff to go wrong.

    I'm positive that we can easily see 400 HP naturally aspirated small V-8 with good fuel economy.

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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    It's called the LS3.

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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    Quote Originally Posted by hueterm View Post
    The fact that they can't develop, afford, and/or keep a modern V8 design is still fail.
    Nah, LS/OHV > N*/DOHC.

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    Re: Cadillac Instructed To Build Full-Size RWD Flagship

    As I said before, then let Gov't Motors cut Lexus, M-B and BMW a hot deal and everyone can go small block.

    Don't see it happening...
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