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Old 09-17-04, 03:21 PM
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Re: why fwd?!

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One thing the "RWD is the only way for performance" crowd might want to do sometime is watch a Paris-Dakar or other type of off-road rally. Them little FWD buggers get up and go, if you ask me. It would seem that the best set up for "performance" would depend on the type of racing being done - oval and flat road racing seems to favor RWD and the ability to power slide around corners - but on loose and or changing surfaces, a FWD car (with enough juice under the hood) can slingshot out of a corner with the best of them. I'd like to see a NASCAR vehicle try to run with a FWD Lancia up Pikes Peak..now that many FIA Rally cars are going AWD, it becomes a moot point.


That said, for the "typical" driver, facing varying weather conditions and varying surfaces, FWD is probably better in the long run. All other things being equal, most drivers find FWD better on slippery or loose traction surfaces, one they realize that to recover from a skid, just point it in the direction you want to go and give it some gas. The RWD "turn away from the skid and let off the gas" method is generally NOT the way to recover in FWD, from my recollections...

The original poster asked, don't forget, "WHY FWD?", not "IS FWD better than RWD?"

All the counterpoint in the world is informative, and interesting, but will never answer the question satisfactorily.

Why? It costs less to manufacture, and to a lesser extent, market demand.
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Re: why fwd?!

Welcome JimHare

Doesnt a limited slip differential help with traction in the snow on RWD? Cadillac did FWD I think because it saves a lot of room in the car. Well thats why they made all their engines traverse. Also in the 70s cadillac came out with some complex thing for RWD that was supposed to give it better traction capabilities.
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Re: why fwd?!

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Doesnt a limited slip differential help with traction in the snow on RWD? Cadillac did FWD I think because it saves a lot of room in the car. Well thats why they made all their engines traverse. Also in the 70s cadillac came out with some complex thing for RWD that was supposed to give it better traction capabilities.
By going to FWD you get rid of the bump on the floorboard in the middle of the car. Guess that saves some space....

For performance and dry traction driving, RWD is the best. If you live in a area where snow is a regular thing, you learn to appreciate the FWD platform. My eldo would need a seperate set of winter tires if it was RWD. Anyone who owns a RWD bmw or benz around here has to have a second set of rims and winter tires to make it through the season. Even after the snow tires, I can still blow them away in the snow!
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Re: why fwd?!

"Why FWD?"

Because I live in Wisconsin at the very top of a hill on a street whose snow seems to be the last in the city to be plowed away...
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Re: why fwd?!

Why did GM come out with FWD in 1966 with the Olds Toronado?
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Re: why fwd?!

Cause they could, they did the same with the Eldorado back then. They were the first non-econo cars w/ FWD.
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First GM non-eco FWD cars.
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Re: why fwd?!

owning 2 FWD cars and a RWD car, and learning to drive on a RWD car (mothers '89 Brougham), and a huge stack of mechanical knowladge, I will through in my input.

FWD - great for normal driving... what is "normal driving"? honestly anything my Oldmsobile would see... trips into town, knock around car, and even the ocasional thow it around the twistys (that cvar handles pretty damn good for what it is) I can spin the tires from a stop, but the Series I 3800 dosn't have the power to keep spinning them.... so RWD wouldn't do anything for performance there..... I don't have any torque steer either.... the wheel dosn't jerk either way... this car is also amazing int he snow... I never got it stuck, even when having some "fun" in an open field with 3 feet of snow, and the snow was coming over the hood....

- Also, the '93 DeVille... while not as much HP as a N*, torque is similar... she'll spin a tire for a second or so, but with the 16" wheels and good tires, she grips very quick.... I never have a problem with FWD... most the things I said about the Olds can also be applied to this (minus the snow stuff ) there is no torque steer either.

RWD- for performance, I like RWD far better.... something people over look with FWD or even AWD.... burnouts... burnouts are always cool, FWD dosn't look as cool and you can't do it with AWD.... you can't power slide a FWD or AWD car like you can with RWD... RWD is far better for doing stunts or just acting stupid with.... even with the front heavy '79 and worn tires... i never have a problem in the rain... the steering is much more loose... but that is the car (I usually drive with 1 finger on the wheel... even around turns and stuff) and nothing beats the ride and quietness of a full frame car.... that is a given....

FWD vs. RWD also... like was mentioned.. the hump... on the RWD car, you have the driveshaft, on a FWD car, there is still a hump for exhaust and stuff, but it is not as big.... RWD cars are hands down far more easy to work on... engine, tranny.... anything... plus, the engine just looks much better sitting lengthwise in the engine bay....

I remember one of the biggest thigns I hated about my '93 was the fact it was FWD.... now that I own a RWD car, it dosn't bother me anymore.... dare I say i enjoy driving a FWD car (Olds) as a daily driver.... just a different feel.... and giving power to the front wheels at certain times can help when recovering from a slide or something.... still, nothing beats going sideways down the road in a 20ft. car in the rain.... heh... that was fun

Only thing I wish is that my RWD car had more power, and a more aggressive rear end... with Posi but I no longer make a big deal with FWD anymore... and honestly, when you have a decent sized engine bay with a slightly smaller engine... such as the 3.8 V6 in my Olds (same bay size as the '93) it makes working on the car very easy.... the rear plugs are a breeze to get at... only thing that would be difficult would be the water pump or AC compressor.... neither of which have gave me trouble... the 4.9 OTOH.... it is jamed into the engine bay so tight.... ahhh it is a major PITA to work on....

my fathers '99 Grand Prix GTP... slightly modded... if I was to guesstimate, I would say around 275hp and 320ft*lbs of torque.... atleast.... that car grips very well, dosn't sit there spinning the tires.... but, it does have alot of torque steer if you step on the gas....

Any performance type car would definitly be RWD for me... if I lived in an area where snow was a regular thing (no as much here in upstate NY) I would defintiyl get FWD... actually I would get a Subaru AWD..... but i no longer worry about getting the '96+Eldo/'98+ Seville STS becuase of FWD.... but they are a pain to work on....

So in closing, I will support either case... nothing beats a full size, body on frame RWD car... but FWD has it's place, and I do not mind it at all.... the whole package has to be considered though, and I would say that on something like my '89 Olds.... there are just so many damn good things going on that car, that FWD just finishes off the package.... makes it a very fine car to drive....
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Re: why fwd?!

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One thing the "RWD is the only way for performance" crowd might want to do sometime is watch a Paris-Dakar or other type of off-road rally. Them little FWD buggers get up and go, if you ask me. It would seem that the best set up for "performance" would depend on the type of racing being done - oval and flat road racing seems to favor RWD and the ability to power slide around corners - but on loose and or changing surfaces, a FWD car (with enough juice under the hood) can slingshot out of a corner with the best of them. I'd like to see a NASCAR vehicle try to run with a FWD Lancia up Pikes Peak..now that many FIA Rally cars are going AWD, it becomes a moot point.
Having been to Pikes Peak, they do run NASCAR-style vehicles. I think they call them modifieds or something like that.

I thought rally cars have been AWD since the mid '80's?
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Re: why fwd?!

It's 3.5 years later and Cadillac has dropped all their FWD junk except for the DTS, which is not long for this world. They are now building real cars again

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