What Do You Think Are The Most Hideous Abominations on The Road?

[thebigjimsho]

Now, personally, I don't mind the Ridgeline. I wouldn't buy one for myself, but I can see the appeal for a light duty worker/hobbyist. And I don't think it's hideous, personally. Although it's far from attractive. And I do think that the Crossfire looks like a dog taking a dump.


But I'd much rather hang out with Jesda. He's the coolest.

[thebigjimsho]

Originally Posted by hardrockcamaro@mac.c

I agree low-mid torque is more useful, especially with heavy cars.

The Northstar matched the torque figure (and even exceeded it) with a smaller engine, but of course it is waker lower down with the headline figure only really arriving at around 3,500-4k.

Still a great engine though, happy to provide good off the line performance on the lightest of throttle for normal driving in near silence, but will scream to the rev line at well over 6,000rpm and pull like a freight train while doing so. And sounds quite nice doing it. A real Jekyll and Hyde engine.

Mind you the only place online I see putting this engine down is this forum.
It always amazes me how the whole issue gets blown way out of proportion by a lot of people on here...


While we didn't get many Northstars in the UK, probably around 1,000 in the initial 98-02 run I'd say, I only know of one with a blown head gasket (and it's a small world over here). I know of a lot of mid 90's V6 Mustangs with blown head gaskets though, and a lot of burnt out TH700R4 transmissions. I've seen a lot of blown head gaskets on small block Chevy's too along with various other "common problems. Maybe out 98 on Sevilles are just too new to display many symptoms? Who knows...

Sadly if mine eventually goes the car will have to go in the bin as places over here aren't set up to deal with them which means it would be a $5,000+ repair, which is probably the same as what the car is worth...



Anyhow, sorry for going off topic...


I submit this, the Lancia Thesis:



It sells at over $60,000 new....

It's worse because it's Italian. I expect a better sense of style from them. This looks like a Huyndai...

Originally Posted by orconn

When the Italians get it wrong they really get it wrong ....... the Lancia in your picture does look like a Hyundai. Actually what appears to be a older Lancia behind the maroon car looks better. Neither one looks like a $60K car.

I disagree. It looks like an old Hyundai. What it really looks like is a Daewoo. And some models had Pinanfarina styling! ZOMG!!! Some had Georgietto Giugiargo and ItalDesign styling too!!!

[V-Eight]

Have you seen the Mustang Giugiaro designed?

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by thebigjimsho

I bought one of these for a quick flip. Guy I sold it to over a year ago loves it and has had no problems with it. Daewoo's weren't all that bad.

[I~LUV~Caddys8792]

That was the least bad of the Daewoos. The dealer I worked at sold those when they were new (one of the few in MN), and Daewoos turned into the biggest POS's ever after about 4-5 years. Not sure if that's because they were crap cars or because nobody appreciated them after the brand went bankrupt.

[Playdrv4me]

Daewoos are absolute and utter GARBAGE. One of the biggest reasons they get scrapped early is because tooling for the engine parts is not readily available anymore and the engines are difficult to work on. This basically makes them a pile of scrap if they ever have engine trouble.

[I~LUV~Caddys8792]

Oh that's right, I forgot that it took us two weeks to receive any Daewoo parts we'd have to special order.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by Playdrv4me

Daewoos are absolute and utter GARBAGE. One of the biggest reasons they get scrapped early is because tooling for the engine parts is not readily available anymore and the engines are difficult to work on. This basically makes them a pile of scrap if they ever have engine trouble.

The Leganza that I sold him was a '99 model and it had the same motor as an Isuzu Amigo. How hard can it be to get parts for that?. My '05 Suzuki Forenza IS a Daewoo. Daewoo still builds cars, they just wear different badges. I didn't know my Suzuki was a Daewoo when I bought it. After a little research I found that Suzuki bought out Daewoo and Daewoo is still building cars. Weird but my Suzuki doesn't feel all that different from my ex '00 Camry from a quality stand point or performance stand point.

[I~LUV~Caddys8792]

I dunno why it's hard to get parts for them, but it was always two weeks out for OEM Daewoo parts. It's funny because like you said, Daewoo is still in business, heck, they even build the Aveo, which is why we'd always call it the Chevrolewoo.

[Jesda]

Originally Posted by thebigjimsho

And I do think that the Crossfire looks like a dog taking a dump.

[Playdrv4me]

Daewoos are the last holdover of the crappy Korean era before Hyundai/Samsung/Kia et al grew up and became major players in the automotive and electronics industries, and started to give the Japanese a run for their money. In my experience, there is a reason you don't see many 100k plus mile Daewoos (or even many approaching 100k) at auctions. If you do they usually come across as "red light" (as-is lanes at the auction) due to pre-existing problems. It's also why low mileage ones are the norm. I've seen Nubiras, which are probably the worst of all of them, in NICE condition with something like 60k miles for about $1800.00 at RETAIL. They just don't hold up well over the long term, which is -also- a reason that many banks and aftermarket warranty companies either placed strict restrictions on, or completely exclude Suzuki and Daewoo products from their programs.

The parts availability issue depends on the engine type and which cars it was fitted to I suppose. Whatever motor is in the Aveo and the Suzukis obviously has a wide parts distribution here because there are still dealers. But some of the engines are extremely difficult to find parts for because there is NO supplier in the U.S. anymore. This is probably why you had to wait on parts, Chad.

The Aveos were sold in such massive quantities they are a little easier to find with high mileage on them, but I wouldn't trust them with too many miles. As much I love Hyundais/Kias... you also have to be careful with those at too high of mileage, but they get more and more reliable all the time.

As for the Daewoos and Dae-zukis, they are perfectly acceptable daily drivers so long as you don't expect a typical ages long service life from them. Plus at the dirt cheap price you can't really complain if they break, they're pretty disposable.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by Playdrv4me

As for the Daewoos and Dae-zukis, they are perfectly acceptable daily drivers so long as you don't expect a typical ages long service life from them. Plus at the dirt cheap price you can't really complain if they break, they're pretty disposable.

Exactly. My Daezuki had 16k miles on it for $3k. If it takes me to 60k or so miles relatively hassle free I'll gladly throw it out and feel I got my money's worth out of it.

[Kev]

This is a truck.

[V-Eight]

My summer job in in a campground and I saw one of these lol, although the vehicle wasn't pink....

[Gristle Boy]