To all who love toyota< admire toyota and think they are a breath of fresh air

Sandy · #1 (**permalink**) 11-20-08, 03:54 PM

TAKE YOUR TIME, NO SPEED READING, IT WILL TAKE YOU SOME WELL SPENT TIME, BUT THIS IS A MUST READ. THEN, AND ONLY THEN, YOU WILL BEGIN TO SEE WHY THIS WRITER SO HATES TOYOPET ! .... AND BY THE WAY, IT IS THEY THAT HAVE THE LARGEST NUMBER OF LOBBYISTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT! TO MAKE THINGS GO THAT BENEFIT TOYO-PISS

http://www.nlcnet.org/article.php?id=562

misfit6794 · #2 (**permalink**) 11-20-08, 05:44 PM

Oh please, I'm sure you are able to wear your sweatshop produced shoes and clothes, and are somehow able to sleep at night. Not to mention your kid's toys that were made in china.

concorso · #3 (**permalink**) 11-20-08, 06:32 PM

Man am I sick of this topic... Only stupid close minded individuals would support giving a company this much money, while their business plan still has major flaws AND the same stupid executive that has run them into the ground, is still charge.

As far as Im concerned, no bailouts unless all the execs are fired, at least.

How can CEO Wagoneeeer expect gov't to give him handouts, while he flies to Washington on a private jet? I dont give shit that the cost of one flight means nothing to the larger financial picture. Waagoner was either dumb (highly doubtful) or arrogant when he made the choice to fly GM's private jet to the meetings with the Senate.

I still don't believe 3 millions jobs would be lost permanently... The British auto industry is thriving now, and they produce almost intirely imports to the UK, since they have no real domestic brands anymore...

Im really tired of old guys saying that you dont support GM if you dont agree with the bailout... Unless they change things, this is only a bandaid...

CIWS · #4 (**permalink**) 11-20-08, 06:54 PM

Shout much ?

thebigjimsho · #5 (**permalink**) 11-20-08, 07:06 PM

And if the execs flew on Northwest and the flight was canceled and couldn't make it, they'd be chastised for missing such an important hearing. Private jetting serves a purpose. Symbol, my ass...

concorso · #6 (**permalink**) 11-20-08, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thebigjimsho

And if the execs flew on Northwest and the flight was canceled and couldn't make it, they'd be chastised for missing such an important hearing. Private jetting serves a purpose. Symbol, my ass...

Yes, it makes sense. But we both know how the media can spin it. And there have been plenty of reports of the Big CEOs abusing jet priviledges, Wagoner included. If theres anytime to be symbolic its now. If it wasnt a time to be symbolic, why would Nardelli make a statement saying he'll work for a salary of $1?

Perception is as big a problem for GM as anything else. Thats why Im not convinced that this money will do any good. How can they be certain the public wants to buy GM vehicles again, just because their good? Toyotas could be catching on fire spontaneously, but half the country would still buy them...

**Jesda** · #7 (**permalink**) 11-21-08, 08:59 AM

The media are retarded.

Destroyer · #8 (**permalink**) 11-21-08, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesda

The media are retarded.

The media is controlled

Blackout · #9 (**permalink**) 11-21-08, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy

TAKE YOUR TIME, NO SPEED READING, IT WILL TAKE YOU SOME WELL SPENT TIME, BUT THIS IS A MUST READ. THEN, AND ONLY THEN, YOU WILL BEGIN TO SEE WHY THIS WRITER SO HATES TOYOPET ! .... AND BY THE WAY, IT IS THEY THAT HAVE THE LARGEST NUMBER OF LOBBYISTS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT! TO MAKE THINGS GO THAT BENEFIT TOYO-PISS

http://www.nlcnet.org/article.php?id=562

We get it Sandy, you don't like anything but domestics.

**Jesda** · #10 (**permalink**) 11-21-08, 10:33 AM

There is truth to what Sandy is saying. Toyota does lobby the US government as much as or more than the Big Three, and Japan's policies on trade are not as friendly as ours. The question then is less about what is, and more about how to deal with it.

**The Tony Show** · #11 (**permalink**) 11-21-08, 10:50 AM

Sandy's posts are some of the very few in favor of the Domestic automakers around here. Everyone cries foul when he or I criticize the imports in the 8,000 threads about how wonderfultastic and superrific everything foreign is, so I suggest you all take the same advice you give us when you post anti-GM threads:

Suck it up and respect the man's right to post facts that back up his opinions.

orconn · #12 (**permalink**) 11-21-08, 12:11 PM

Perhaps, if there is a bailout perhaps a tax on all auto makers doing business in the US to spread the cost of the Big Three's pension and healthcare cost and level the playing field. I think turning over pension and healthcare cost for the auto workers to the federal government and thus the taxpayer isn,t solving the problem in the long run. Should there be a competitive edge given to those who arrived late in the game after the market had already been created (let's face it the wages and benefits of the auto industry went a long way in creating an affluent middle class in the US) to allow newcomer's to come in and exploit the marketplace without paying the true cost. seems foolish. First came VW then Toyota et al. now Hyundai and let's not forget Cherry on the horizon. If the trend continues unabated the American middle class will be pushed back to pre-WW2 levels of prosperity.

**The Tony Show** · #13 (**permalink**) 11-21-08, 12:22 PM

Hey look- orconn is Roger Penske's secret identity!

***Lord Cadillac*** · #14 (**permalink**) 11-21-08, 12:59 PM

What's stopping us from leveling the playing field in this respect TOMORROW?! What are us panzy Americans afraid of?!

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Originally Posted by Jesda

Japan's policies on trade are not as friendly as ours. The question then is less about what is, and more about how to deal with it.

Blackout · #15 (**permalink**) 11-21-08, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tony Show

Sandy's posts are some of the very few in favor of the Domestic automakers around here. Everyone cries foul when he or I criticize the imports in the 8,000 threads about how wonderfultastic and superrific everything foreign is, so I suggest you all take the same advice you give us when you post anti-GM threads:

Suck it up and respect the man's right to post facts that back up his opinions.

Wah, wah, wah! It's a car forum! Would you believe that people actually talk about more then one car brand on a car forum!?

I mean who in their right mind would talk about something other then Cadillac in this section of the forum? I mean look at the description for this area, "Only non-Cadillac discussion goes here. Cadillac discussions belong elsewhere." so why are you surprised to find stuff on foreign cars and other car brands in this area?