SRT-8 Challenger = failure

[I~LUV~Caddys8792]

Originally Posted by gothicaleigh

I know it goes without mentioning (for there is certainly no other reason for you to have not done so), but I must include the chariot of the gods themselves, the BMW e30.

LOL! Awesome! Can you change that picture so it's a W140 instead of a E30?

[AMGoff]

Well, to begin with... a better idea for a thread would have just been - "Dodge Challenger - Initial Performance Numbers."

But instead, being titled as it was it set the tone for a bunch of unwarranted crap. Everyone is more than entitled to their opinions and internet forums are a means to air them out. An opinion is just that... an opinion, ie - " I like this... I don't like that." One of the reasons I like this forum and why I think there is such a large, active community of participants is because it always seemed the caliber of its respective members were a little higher than the norm and because of which, handled themselves better than one would find on other forums.

So forgive me for being just a little shocked on the rare occasions I find people here engaging in blatantly ignorant pissing matches.. I suppose it's just that I've always given the regular members who post on here a little more credit than they maybe deserve.

So what if a member with a '94 STS doesn't like Mustangs... so we're going to take it personally and start attacking those vintage Sevilles? Why... what's the point? Because we're pissed off because we might own a Mustang? So we'll then attack a vehicle simply because someone drives it? That's just as ridiculous as blasting the overall quality of all pre-2005 GM vehicle... despite the fact that GM had been steadily raising its build quality since the late 90s and that there were several early 2000s GM brands with long term build quality that rivaled if not bested even the Japanese.

Everyone puts their opinions out there... I'm certainly one of them and I make no effort to hide them. If I don't like something... I'll say I don't like it or I might just not say anything at all. However, even as opinionated as I might be... I know full well that I'm not in any position to make any sort of all-encompassing statement like, "X" car is a failure simply because I might not necessarily like the car nor it's manufacturer. I've never really liked Mustangs, but I wouldn't find some numbers and use that to somehow give my opinion any extra credit beyond what it is. I personally find Lincolns to be subpar entries in the luxury market, but I'm not going to insult someone for simply owning one. I would never buy a Japanese car, nor do I like the majority of Japanese manufacturers... but I'll give credit where credit is due. Take the GTR - I think it's an awesome piece of hardware... but I don't like it... So if one were to go back through all of the posts there's been about the GTR on here, they'd find I haven't really commented on it.

There's a fine line between arrogance and ignorance... and I'd say generally, members of this forum tend to show enough decorum to stay behind that line. But once we start taking our opinions and using them as definitive, all-encompassing assertions - that's a different story. We all think whatever the hell we want... and that's fine as long as we remember that it's what we think and that such thoughts don't necessarily equate to reality.

[RightTurn]

Originally Posted by gary88

Cliffnotes - Softer suspension than SRT-8 Charger
Nice brakes
Great in a straight line (5.1/13.2)
Mild understeer
Average steering
Average handling

Well it makes the right sounds. What else is there?

[I~LUV~Caddys8792]

Anyone who doesn't like the 1981 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme is a ****ing idiot. End of story.

[AlBundy]

Originally Posted by RightTurn

Well it makes the right sounds. What else is there?

poop.

[The Tony Show]

Everything I need to know about the car industry I learned in the Cadillac Forums Lounge.

-The older a Mercedes or BMW is, the cooler it becomes
-The older an American car is, the crappier it becomes
-Nearly everyone thinks Mustangs are garbage, regardless of age
-God created the GT-R
-Afterwards, he pooped and made the Challenger
-Don't let your parrot drive your M3

[hueterm]

Especially the 4-door Cutlass Supreme/Malibu w/the sad vent window in the rear doors, but no way to lower the rear window.

That was a pathetic car...a friend of mine had the Malibu version (one reason why I'd never buy a Malibu to this day, just the name brings up bad memories). Cloth = burlap, non-split bench seat....terrible, just terrible.

[I~LUV~Caddys8792]

Yes Tony, now you've got it.

[LS1Mike]

Originally Posted by The Tony Show

Everything I need to know about the car industry I learned in the Cadillac Forums Lounge.

-The older a Mercedes or BMW is, the cooler it becomes
-The older an American car is, the crappier it becomes
-Nearly everyone thinks Mustangs are garbage, regardless of age
-God created the GT-R
-Afterwards, he pooped and made the Challenger
-Don't let your parrot drive your M3

Ah very good Tony
You forgot ANY F-body even if it stomps your ride into to the ground=MULLET.

[LS1Mike]

Originally Posted by I~LUV~Caddys8792

LOL! Awesome! Can you change that picture so it's a W140 instead of a E30?

Why not substitue for a $4000 dollar headgasket. I don't think I have ever seen one of those.