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Cadillac Forums: I sat in the Lincoln MKS yesterday
I have a MKZ and also like the MKS. However, I'm not crazy about the big-fat-strip-of-wood-across-the-dashboard look in both my MKZ and MKS. At first I thought it looked OK. But, over time it just looks out of place, like someone decided to add a piece of household baseboard to the dash.
You act as if platform sharing is a Ford only thing
Not to the extent that an entire brand is built using it. I know where you're going with this, so I'll save you the energy of typing it- The CTS, STS and SRX are all unique Cadillac vehicles, built on an exclusive chassis with unique HVAC controls, Navigation systems, dash layouts, etc. Even the XLR shares frame rails only with the 'Vette, using a unique engine, interior, suspension, body panels and everything. The entire Lincoln lineup is nothing more than an appearance package for Fords and Mazdas.
Hey- there's a good idea: Drop the Lincoln brand name and Dealership network and just start offering a $15,000 "Lincoln Appearance Package" on Fords.
Last edited by The Tony Show : 04-22-08 at 01:43 PM.
Reason: Brevity and politeness :)
As a person that gets Ford products at employee pricing I drive a Cadillac.
The current exterior designers at the Ford Motor Company are LOST. Their engine department is just as lost, they cant get 300 HP out of an engine without a blower. For the past decade or so I have prefered their interiors (especially Lincolns) to GM and Chrysler products. Now that GM is getting away from the Rubbermaid/Fisher-Price interiors I think they have a definate advantage over the 2 other domestic brands in product design.
The only Fords I would currently drive is a Super Duty Diesel truck and maybe a Navi.
The MKZ is HORRID. One of the worst rear views on the road today and just a plain, plain car (AWD is the ONLY thing I like about it). The MKX, just as bad. Tailights are attrocious and the grill is just UGLY. Whats worse is the Edge is a much better looking vehicle at 2/3rds the price. They are even trying their damndest to destroy the Navigator.
Ford better release the Interceptor and Lincoln MKR without many changes to the concepts if they want any chance at my potential business. They FINALLY get some exterior designs worth noticing but I doubt they ever make it to the showroom.
Now that GM is getting away from the Rubbermaid/Fisher-Price interiors I think they have a definate advantage over the 2 other domestic brands in product design.
I'm glad to see my "Fisher Price" analogy is catching on across the internet.
I've always liked Lincolns 'almost' as as much as Cadillacs. Even as much as I'm not crazy about the direction Cadillac has taken (with the exception of the Vs), I can't dislike them. Same goes for Lincoln. I have a hard time not liking Lincolns. But it's shameful to be sharing platforms with MAZDAs. And it does appear that Lincolns are now simply Fords with some extras. I agree with Tony that they should just do away with the brand and make the "Lincoln Appearance Package". It's ridiculous, but that's basically what they're doing.
I'm not sure what's changed with the Town Car since 2004. I mean - I SEE changes.. I thought the updates were for the better.. What happened that made the Town Car worse?
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The funny thing is that Lincoln sales volume is up, but its at the expense of the brand's long term future. The MKZ is a cheaper car and the Navigator is packed with incentives. People aren't willing to spend money on a new Lincoln unless its a bargain.
I know very little about Town Cars. I have ridden in a few and have driven some several years back. They obviously are useful and favored by the livery services and those that are in need of a driver to make business appointments in NY, LA and D.C. There definitely is a need for such a car, but private, non-commercial ownership seems to be dwindling as the true anti-boomer generation dies off. Cadillac had their executive "special" sedan a fews years back but it didn't seem to go anywhere. And Cadillac has no presence among "Head of State" transportation ......... except for our own President ( and he damned well ought to drive American!) ...... although being familiar with many of D.C.s better residential neighborhoods, I'd say the rest of his regime prefers German makes.
It will be interesting to see whether the Queen and her government stay with Jaguars now that they will be an Indian make.
Somebody's got to make a car suitable for chauferred travel that doesn't cost over a hundred grand when armoring is not required!
I'm not sure what's changed with the Town Car since 2004. I mean - I SEE changes.. I thought the updates were for the better.. What happened that made the Town Car worse?
I'm just copying and pasting from another thread I responded to:
"My 2004 was reliable and had little minor issues. My 2007 had its blend door actuator replaced at 8,000(!!!) miles. The driver's seat is broken(and before anyone questions my build, my 2004 went 218,000miles without an issue), the serpentine belt was missing a rib, the climate control blows air erratically, the drive-by-wire is pure torture(throttle tip-in and off is NOT smooth and it stutters at low speeds), the computer thinks I need [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]washer [COLOR=blue ! important]fluid[/color][/color][/color] when it's full and states I need an oil change at less than 3,000 miles, the suspension has been dialed in to be way too stiff with very slow rebound on the rear suspension(if you don't go really slow on speed bumps the rear crashes down), the leather is a drab grey instead of black, the [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]steering [COLOR=blue ! important]wheel[/color][/color][/color] is changed in that it's harder to grab comfortably and the wheel's buttons are cheap an inconsistent in their function, there is no double visor shade nor Homelink, a headlight went out at 33,000 miles and the car sways much worse than the '04. And I paid an extra $1,500 over my '04 for that POS.
Some companies try to mask where they cut corners and/or costs. And some make it obvious."
Let me also add that the climate control doesn't blow temperature evenly and the car came with rear vanity mirrors that wouldn't snap closed and because they were loose, the vanity lights always stayed on.
Of every chauffeur who drives an '07, they all notice that it's inferior to earlier years...
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So they were a generation late...
I'm glad to see my "Fisher Price" analogy is catching on across the internet.
Ive called it that since Bose stereos with the HUGE buttons were put in Corvettes and Silverado radios were in 2 pieces (dumbest design EVER).
I am in a loaner 07 Grand Prix right now (the f'in shifter in the V took a header, weirdest thing ever) and the knobs and buttons on that thing are absolutely ATTROCIUS. I have hated those orange lights since the 1st BMW I ever road in and I still hate it today. The speedo is bigger than Flavo Flavs clock but it is getting 27 mpg but had a hard time passing a handicap van today. I couldnt ever own that car, and its f'in white to top it off.
--Automobile Magazine, May 2004
