Want to buy a MIG 21...cheap?

[ABCF]

Check it out...ready to fly

http://www.raptoraviation.com/aircra...s/Mig21UM.html

[MauiV]

One of the guys on Maui that owns a few dozen helos was within a hair of buyin a MIG 21 but the deal fell through last second. As an air traffic controller lets just say Im glad he didnt. He did eventually get a powered glider which is a TOTAL PITA to mix with a push of Boeing 767's.

[dkozloski]

The Mig-21s I've seen up close, show some pretty crude workmanship. I don't know if this makes them unsafe but I do know that the contours of the skin more closely resemble a New York garbage can than an F-16.

[MauiV]

Its not the workmanship that concerns most. Its pilots who fly stuff that starts with a November getting ahold of the throddles to way to fast a plane with way to slow a brain to keep up. I see guys everyday that struggle with Barrons and Panthers let alone a fighter. Most Bonanza pilots are in over their heads, thats why they call them Dr. Caskets.

[dkozloski]

Originally Posted by MauiV

Its not the workmanship that concerns most. Its pilots who fly stuff that starts with a November getting ahold of the throddles to way to fast a plane with way to slow a brain to keep up. I see guys everyday that struggle with Barrons and Panthers let alone a fighter. Most Bonanza pilots are in over their heads, thats why they call them Dr. Caskets.

I owned and flew a Beech Bonanza for years. I figured there was no way I was going to get hurt in the crash because I was always about half a mile behind the plane. I also had a Cessna 180 on floats and a Howard DGA-15P.

[CIWS]

The Migs may look rough but they're actually pretty solid. The back seat in those has crap visibility.

[dkozloski]

When the Mig-25 Foxbat was flown out of Russia to Japan the American experts were surprised by the brown stains all over it. They were even more amazed to find that instead of being made from titanium like the SR-71, it was made from sheet iron and the brown stains were rust. In fact their impression of the whole thing was so bad that at first they were sure it was a scam, that the Russians were putting them on with a badly made fake.

I've seen the Stolichnaya Vodka Mig-17s in several air shows and the afterburners are laughable. The flame is orange and the whole thing has the look of a fake. In contrast, when you light off the burner in an F-16 the flame is blue to invisible and it really looks and sounds like it's doing something.

When India got pissed off at the U.S. over our relationship with Pakistan they decided to show us and they bought Migs from Russia. The folly of the move caught them between the eyes when they found out that the Russian turbine engines lasted hundreds of hours vs. the tens of thousands of hours they were getting from American and British engines.

The landing speed of the Mig-21 is so high that they normally deploy a drogue chute to get the thing slowed down before the brakes burn up.

[Florian]

note that the avionics package is only Navcom w/ILS.....youd need to dump 15-20K into the panel alone. Also, its needs its annual (and likely a hot section) so chalk up another 20-25K....

Hoo fah....


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[CIWS]

Originally Posted by dkozloski

I've seen the Stolichnaya Vodka Mig-17s in several air shows and the afterburners are laughable. The flame is orange and the whole thing has the look of a fake. In contrast, when you light off the burner in an F-16 the flame is blue to invisible and it really looks and sounds like it's doing something.

You're comparing a F-16's engine to a Mig-17s designed in the 1940s ? Come on Koz

Originally Posted by dkozloski

The landing speed of the Mig-21 is so high that they normally deploy a drogue chute to get the thing slowed down before the brakes burn up.

Not uncommon for fighters and interceptors who went into service in the mid/late 50s and were Mach 2 capable. Just like the F-104 Starfighter, to be capable of that performance the planes had thin wings and overall surface area requiring high landing speeds and long runways.

[CIWS]

Originally Posted by Florian

note that the avionics package is only Navcom w/ILS.....youd need to dump 15-20K into the panel alone. Also, its needs its annual (and likely a hot section) so chalk up another 20-25K....

Hoo fah....


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and it's probably all still in Russian.