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07-09-07, 10:27 AM
|  | Super Mod Cadillac(s): 07 STS-V Platinum  | | Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: North Coast, OH Age: 43 | | | Re: Silverado VS Tundra VS F-150.
The Silverado is a Z71 package (note the rear qtr panel decal) which is the sport suspension, hence the bounce.
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07-09-07, 12:57 PM
|  | Cadillac Owners Connoisseur Cadillac(s): 1998 STS/2006 M6 GTO | | Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mahwah, NJ Age: 24 | | | Re: Silverado VS Tundra VS F-150.
Tundra is crap... |
07-10-07, 02:44 AM
|  | Cold Soaked Cadillac(s): 2006 STS AWD, '95 Ford Ranger | | Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fairbanks, Ak Age: 70 | | | Re: Silverado VS Tundra VS F-150.
Anyone having driven a variety of pickups on washboard roads soon finds that each has a sweet spot a speed of minimum bouncing, and a resonant speed where it will fall apart. It is very easy to "rig" a video such as the example by varying the speed by only a few MPH to emphasize the best or the worst of each vehicle. In other words, the video shows nothing definitive.
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07-10-07, 03:05 AM
|  | Cadillac Owners Master Cadillac(s): None now...1972 Challenger=my pride and joy. | | Join Date: May 2004 Location: Just north of Sacramento, CA Age: 27 | | | Re: Silverado VS Tundra VS F-150.
HAhaha, true. My old '60 Dodge truck had a sweet spot. I found it rode smoothest, without feeling like it was going to fall apart on a washboard road, at 0 mph. Other than that, it was just great, dangerous, death-defying, sitting on a milkcrate instead of a seat fun! |
07-13-07, 11:35 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Member Cadillac(s): CTS | | | | | Re: Silverado VS Tundra VS F-150.
get a GM |
10-30-07, 05:16 PM
|  | Cadillac Owners Fanatic Cadillac(s): 1991 Sedan deVille 4.9L/1994 Lincoln Town Car 4.6L | | Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chatham, Ont., Canada Age: 31 | | | Re: Silverado VS Tundra VS F-150.
wow did that Toyota ever flop around. Of course who's to say that a few bolts weren't loosened for the sake of the video, eh? Regardless, whatever you might say about Ford, they've always done one thing right. Their F150. Not that Chevy or Dodge builds bad pickups. I think the reason you don't see a Dodge is because they are the most 'trucky' trucks. They are built to be workhorses, and nothing but. On the other hand, though, I was driving a 2001 Dodge 3500 with the Cummins diesel, and you could watch the door flapping over bumpy pavement! I was like what the HELL. It should be more solid than that. Even my 91 Deville doesn't flex that badly. In fact, it doesn't flex at all over bumpy stuff, it just squeeks and rattles, but that's with 225k miles on the clock. |
10-30-07, 06:09 PM
|  | If it won't run, chrome it..... Cadillac(s): 2002 Cadillac F55 STS/53000mi., 2004 Ford F150 Super cab 4x4 | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Maryland upper Eastern Shore Age: 69 | | | Re: Silverado VS Tundra VS F-150.
I've had good service and zero - yes, zero - warranty defects in 4 F-150's.
Three V-8's and an I-6 (best engine, 5-sp.), and Ford trucks use NO oil between changes. None, and they now run 5W-20.
Like any truck with a frame (as opposed to unibody), you look in the rear view mirror and the cap/bed sometimes appears to be on a different road: the bed is only attached to the frame, not any part of the body, so there's no extra stiffening from body and roof connections. (Run a chain saw down each door pillar, to the floor pan, in my Seville. No flex? HA!) |
10-30-07, 06:12 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Fanatic Cadillac(s): 1991 Sedan deVille 4.9L/1994 Lincoln Town Car 4.6L | | Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chatham, Ont., Canada Age: 31 | | | Re: Silverado VS Tundra VS F-150.
Well I think it goes without saying Ford builds a damned good truck. They are class leading in every department, and if nothing else, Ford deserves the accolades it has received for its mighty F-series. |
10-30-07, 09:14 PM
|  | Cadillac Owners Connoisseur Cadillac(s): '93 Fleetwood Brougham...Dad's | | Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern DE Age: 23 | | | Re: Silverado VS Tundra VS F-150.
The Tundra's HUGE problem is it's very, and surprisingly so, weakingly C-channel frame.
No one knows why Toyota went against them, even from 1999, trend to fully boxed hydro formed frames...but the new Tundra suffers so much from this flexy, flimsy old design.
This is even more clear with the other video above, here, when they test frame bending & twist...and the Tundra is again off the charts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE
The look, size, power, etc. of the Tundra are credible, but it would be a 10x better TRUCK if it actually had a frame underneath it from this century and with proper strength. Just kind of falls on the heap of their issues with tailgates coming apart, constant carps on the cheap--even for a truck--interior, etc.
They know better, but just missed too many big things that were the most obvious on it. |
10-30-07, 10:19 PM
|  | Super Moderator Cadillac(s): Poor man's STS--> '00 Regal GS. | | Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Twin Cities, MN Age: 22 | | | Re: Silverado VS Tundra VS F-150.
I love the Ram just because of the Cummins Turbo Diesel I-6.
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10-30-07, 10:41 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Connoisseur Cadillac(s): '03 Seville STS, '89 Eldorado, '89 Grand Wagoneer | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 36 | | | Re: Silverado VS Tundra VS F-150.
Well... that was helpful.
Good to know that if I ever need to purposely drive 30mph over a long stretch of perfectly uneven pavement that I should buy a Ford.
However.. should I ever need to do actual work with a truck I'll stick with a diesel Ram. |
10-31-07, 12:33 AM
| | Cadillac Owners Connoisseur Cadillac(s): '93 Fleetwood Brougham...Dad's | | Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern DE Age: 23 | | | Re: Silverado VS Tundra VS F-150.
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Originally Posted by dkozloski  Anyone having driven a variety of pickups on washboard roads soon finds that each has a sweet spot a speed of minimum bouncing, and a resonant speed where it will fall apart. It is very easy to "rig" a video such as the example by varying the speed by only a few MPH to emphasize the best or the worst of each vehicle. In other words, the video shows nothing definitive. | Good point, but what the vids did show is a lot of data that was already backed up and known by real world use, testing, owner reports, etc. The Ford is very solid and composed, the GM trucks are even a bit more so but can be a tad skittish with certain suspensions (as can be the Ford, with other stiffer setups), and the Toyota has such a huge structural deficiency that there's nothing that can compensate or change that.
Having driven, ridden in, etc. all of them, and know others with each, it's just a good quick showing of the real world "guts". And yet again, if the Toyota--which really does have some great points--only had a foundation that could match the size & looks, and increased durability across various body components, it could REALLY standout. The frame choice and design I will just never understand, being a semi mechanical engineer, and having talked to others about it. Actually, the basic design is something common to the past and others, but even those tended to still be technically more robust than what was developed here. Toyota did another 6 or 7/8's truck, but this time in every category ASIDE from size.
For others not mentioned, the Dodge--which is old now--would fall in between the Ford/Chevy and the wet noodle Toyota, and then the also left out Nissan Titan would be in a similar place. Just talking frame & body strength, and suspension design and activity.
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10-31-07, 11:11 AM
|  | Zeeee-yaaaa Cadillac(s): 07 STS 1SG, 03 STS, 74 Eldo, 98 Z28, PAST: 97 ETC | | Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cheswick, PA Age: 23 | | | Re: Silverado VS Tundra VS F-150.
Tundra's a joke
everyone knows this... |
10-31-07, 11:42 AM
|  | Cadillac Owners Connoisseur Cadillac(s): 1995 FTS | | Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dover, DE Age: 26 | | | Re: Silverado VS Tundra VS F-150.
The Titan is one of the most underrated trucks out there. Everybody is riding the Tundra's nuts while nobody gives the Titan the time of day |
10-31-07, 01:26 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Connoisseur Cadillac(s): '93 Fleetwood Brougham...Dad's | | Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern DE Age: 23 | | | Re: Silverado VS Tundra VS F-150.
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Originally Posted by Blackout The Titan is one of the most underrated trucks out there. Everybody is riding the Tundra's nuts while nobody gives the Titan the time of day | Agreed. It actually is quite good, despite what some have said, the main carps on it now are that it still "feels" a bit cheap and isn't overall as solid and refined as your typical new Ford or GM truck.
But it has great power, great capability, and size--just misses enough small points to be skipped over more and more. An increase in structural/body strength and expanded model choice (like right now, the smallest is an extended cab with 5.6L V8 only), and interest could return stronger. | | Cadillac Discussion Tools | | | 
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